[Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - Translate project page into French?

[David Nelson via Talk-ca]

It may be helpful if someone could please volunteer to translate the project 
page for WikiProject Canada Post on the OSM Wiki into French.  It might 
encourage more mappers, particularly in Quebec, to engage with the project, and 
show that there is serious energy being put into it.

- David E. Nelson

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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[David Nelson via Talk-ca]

That is precisely how I would prefer these spreadsheets to be used, to guide 
ground surveys.  There is in fact nothing stopping us from using any data 
source we wish to guide ground surveys, because we would be gathering data only 
from those surveys.

- David E. Nelson
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DENelson83>

From: john whelan
Sent: June 16, 2020 07:16
To: Justin Tracey
Cc: David Nelson; Pierre Béland via Talk-ca
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

I think you can use it to see where to look.

If there is only one building and you can see a Canada Post logo floating 
around I think it is fair game.

Canada Post is part of federal government so there is some sort of commitment 
to Open Data floating around under the Federal government's open data 
initiative.

Cheerio John

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 09:10 Justin Tracey  wrote:
Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?

 - Justin

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca 
 wrote:
I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those we have 
not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise outlets' 
parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such locations are now 
marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The node for each such post 
office location just has to be positioned right next to its respective parent 
business.  You can determine what each parent business is by looking on Canada 
Post’s own website, or by doing a simple web search for the postal code of each 
such outlet.  With this, we are in a position to immediately add nearly 700 
more Canada Post outlets across the country to OSM.  This would bring the 
progress of this project to a completion measure of just under 48 percent.
 
- David E. Nelson
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[Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[David Nelson via Talk-ca]

I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those we have 
not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise outlets' 
parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such locations are now 
marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The node for each such post 
office location just has to be positioned right next to its respective parent 
business.  You can determine what each parent business is by looking on Canada 
Post’s own website, or by doing a simple web search for the postal code of each 
such outlet.  With this, we are in a position to immediately add nearly 700 
more Canada Post outlets across the country to OSM.  This would bring the 
progress of this project to a completion measure of just under 48 percent.

- David E. Nelson

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[Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - was RE: Business data in northern Montreal

[David Nelson via Talk-ca]

On the WikiProject’s wiki page, there are links to spreadsheets that show 
exactly which post offices are in our database and which are not, and of 
course, the best way to find the exact locations for these post offices is via 
ground surveys.  I initially populated those spreadsheets using Canada Post’s 
own data.  Of greater interest to this project are the post offices in rural 
areas, especially in the Prairie provinces, as we have very few of those in our 
database, and leads to their exact locations are pretty hard to track down 
online.

- David E. Nelson
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DENelson83>

From: Pierre Béland
Sent: June 14, 2020 05:53
To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap; David Nelson
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Business data in northern Montreal

Bonjour David

Pour voir de tels projets progresser, faire le point de temps en temps peut 
motiver les contributeurs à participer. Et l'accès à des outils pour faciliter 
l'édition / ajout de données. Par exemple, où sont les données géoréférencées 
des bureaux de poste existants à ajouter à OSM ?

Pour les bureaux de poste, la page wiki 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada_Post  contient des liens 
intéressants dont les statistiques par province. On observe une très bonne 
couverture dans l'ouest (au dela de 90%), et nettement moindre dans l'est 
incluant le Québec  (40% et moins) 
(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gj1E9R_daWsEg5_sDH1gH9C9WO79jkZIMwrx5YuncYk/edit#gid=0).


Un autre site intéressant est https://www.pagesjaunes.ca / 
https://www.yellowpages.ca
Ils utilisent la carte OpenStreetMap. Il y a là un interêt commun. Si quelqu'un 
pouvait les convaincre de permettre aux contributeurs OSM d'accéder à leur 
répertoire géoréférencé, imaginez tous les commerces que nous pourrions ajouter 
à la carte. Cela motiverait aussi à ajouter les batiments correspondants.
 
Pierre 


Le dimanche 14 juin 2020 04 h 43 min 06 s UTC−4, David Nelson via Talk-ca 
 a écrit : 


As part of my efforts to advance WikiProject Canada Post, I noticed that the 
portion of the Island of Montreal north of Autoroute 25 is missing quite a bit 
of business data.  When looking through our database for businesses that act as 
franchises for Canada Post outlets, I was not able to find more than half of 
them in the aforementioned part of Montreal.  Is it possible that any active 
mappers in that part of the city could go out and improve OSM's business 
coverage there?
 
- David E. Nelson
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DENelson83>
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[Talk-ca] Business data in northern Montreal

[David Nelson via Talk-ca]

As part of my efforts to advance WikiProject Canada Post, I noticed that the 
portion of the Island of Montreal north of Autoroute 25 is missing quite a bit 
of business data.  When looking through our database for businesses that act as 
franchises for Canada Post outlets, I was not able to find more than half of 
them in the aforementioned part of Montreal.  Is it possible that any active 
mappers in that part of the city could go out and improve OSM's business 
coverage there?

- David E. Nelson

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Re: [Talk-ca] Canada Post offices

[David Nelson via Talk-ca]

You can also use a simple overpass query to find out which post offices are 
tagged with the name “Canada Post”.  Here’s what such a query looks like in QL:

[out:json][timeout:45];
// gather results
(
  // query part for: “amenity=post_office”
  way["amenity"="post_office"]
["name"="Canada Post"]
  (area:3600068841); // Ontario
);

// print results
out body;
>;

out skel qt;

node
  [amenity=post_office]
  [name="Canada Post"]
  (area:3600068841); // Ontario
out;

- David E. Nelson
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DENelson83

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From: David E. Nelson via Talk-ca
Sent: March 28, 2020 17:36
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Canada Post offices

I have highlighted in the spreadsheets which post offices are tagged with their 
correct postal codes.  Those postal codes are now in bold type.
- David E. Nelson
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DENelson83

On Mar. 28, 2020 15:39, john whelan  wrote:
It might be worthwhile highlighting those that do not have a postcode or are 
tagged name=Canada Post.

Useful locally as I hadn't checked the ones I know of had been mapped nor that 
their details were correct.  I did note one address was wrong, the post office 
had moved from one side of the street to the other a year or so ago.

Thanks John

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 16:04, David E. Nelson via Talk-ca 
 wrote:
I have started a project with the objective of adding as many post offices as 
can be found in Canada to OpenStreetMap.

Canada Post's own database yields just over 6000 post offices within the 
country, and I have used the Overpass API to determine that just over 2000 of 
those, or only about one in every three such outlets, have already been added 
to OSM's database.

I would like to enlist the help of mappers across Canada to add as many more of 
the missing post offices as they can find.  To that end, I have produced these 
spreadsheets detailing which post offices have already been added to OSM and 
which have not.

Atlantic (A, B, C, E): 


Quebec (G, H, J):


Ontario (K, L, M, N, P):


Western and Northern (R, S, T, V, X, Y):


Each spreadsheet has a "master list" of post offices, and each of those entries 
has been colour-coded according to their disposition:

Green = Already added to OSM; node/way ID given, with dash before ID indicating 
a way, no dash indicating a node
Red = Not yet added to OSM
Yellow = Location listed on waymarking.com (although I am not sure 
waymarking.com data is licence-compatible with OSM) 

Blue = Added to OSM, but since moved to a new location or simply needs to have 
its address re-verified
Lilac = Postal code needs to be corrected—the correct postal code is in the 
spreadsheet; postal codes for Canada Post facilities *always* end with a zero
Violet = A letter has been sent to that post office asking for its precise 
geographical location

Each spreadsheet also has a second sheet titled "extraneous data", detailing 
which post offices found in the OSM data have been determined to have closed; 
which OSM post office data is redundant and needs to be merged, i.e., if a 
single post office location has both a way and a disconnected node describing 
it, in which case the tags from the node should be moved to the way; and which 
locations have been erroneously tagged as post offices.  Only locations branded 
as Canada Post where postage stamps can be purchased should have the 
"amenity=post_office" tag, while outlets branded as "FedEx", "UPS", or any 
other private courier should instead be tagged as "office=logistics".

I would also like to see a harmonized tagging schema for Canada Post outlets, 
consisting as follows:

addr:housenumber (Use ground survey or local knowledge wherever and whenever 
possible)
addr:postcode (Use from spreadsheets)
addr:street (Use ground survey or local knowledge wherever and whenever 
possible)
amenity=post_office
brand=Canada Post
brand:wikipedia=en:Canada Post
brand:wikidata=Q1032001
name (Use from spreadsheets)
operator (Either "Canada Post", for an outlet run directly by Canada Post, or 
for an independently-run franchise, the name of the business that the postal 
outlet can be found in)
phone (Optional)

I would prefer that no two or more post office locations share a postal code.  
If this is not the case, only the outlet listed in the above spreadsheets 
should get tagged with "addr:postcode", while the others not use the 
"addr:postcode" tag at all.  As well, no two post office locations within the 
same province or territory should be permitted to have