Re: [Talk-in] [datameet] How does OSM store its data

[Devdatta Tengshe]

Hi Nikhil,

The Database design has been documented here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Database

This is, at its essence, a modified EAV Model(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity–attribute–value_model). A good place
to start researching for these kinds of database design, is to look at
various documents on EAV, its shortcomings & Strengths.

You should also evaluate if a NoSQL/Object Store database might be a better
fit for your purpose, than designing an EAV Data model to be stored in a
relational Database.


Regards,
Devdatta

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Nikhil VJ  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I want to learn how OpenStreetmap stores and manages its data, plus how
> Overpass Turbo extracts it.
>
> I find the key-value pair system fascinating (variable fields, organic
> building up of data) and want to replicate that elsewhere. Just the data
> storing part.. don't want to generate map tiles etc.
>
> Any pointers? Any place I should ask?
>
> For those interested, here's a link to the project I have in mind:
> Crowdsourcing-Map-based-data
> 
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Re: [Talk-in] OSM Shapefile of Indian version of the borders according to the existing law

[Devdatta Tengshe]

Hi Ashim,

If you use
https://github.com/datameet/maps/blob/master/Country/india-osm.geojson as
the URL, then it will try to access the HTML page.

You want the raw GeoJSON which is available at the following URL:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/datameet/maps/master/Country/india-osm.geojson

You can find the URL by clicking on the download button on the HTML Page.

Regards,
Devdatta

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Thejesh GN  wrote:

> May be it saves the HTML content?
>
> Right click on raw and try saving it?
>
> Regards,
> Thej
>
> Thejesh GN ⏚ ತೇಜೇಶ್ ಜಿ.ಎನ್
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> On 29-Jan-2018 10:18, "Ashim Kapoor"  wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> When I git clone the repository I am able to view the india-osm.geojson
>> in my qgis. When I right click on india-osm.geojson in this page :
>>
>> https://github.com/datameet/maps/tree/master/Country
>>
>> and save the file, it says invalid Data source in QGIS.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Ashim
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:47 PM, shravan  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Arun,
>>>
>>> I copied the geoJson code from Github to a text editor. I saved the file
>>> an extension ".geojson". It works for me. I have sent the file to Ashim as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Shravan
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:43 PM, Arun Ganesh 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Loads fine for me in qgis and also previews correctly
 https://github.com/datameet/maps/blob/master/Country/india-osm.geojson so
 pretty sure the file is valid.

 Not sure what the issue could be. Can anyone else test?

 On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 7:34 PM, Ashim Kapoor 
 wrote:

> Dear Arun,
>
> QGIS says invalid data source when I try to open india-osm.geojson in
> it. I chose  Layer > Add Layer > Add Vector Layer and then
> india-osm.geojson.
>
> Best,
> Ashim
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 7:04 PM, Ashim Kapoor 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Arun,
>>
>> Thank you and Best Regards,
>> Ashim
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 7:01 PM, Arun Ganesh > > wrote:
>>
>>> Ashim, I just tried this out, there was a small bit of cleanup
>>> needed to remove some gaps.
>>>
>>> Detailed outline of India generated from OSM is available here:
>>> https://github.com/datameet/maps/tree/master/Country
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Re: [Talk-in] OpenStreet india map for commercial use.

[Devdatta Tengshe]

Hi Akshay,

Have you looked at this:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/PlaneMad/diary/38176 ?

I used the steps given there to make a custom style (in Mapbox studio) for
India. Once you have the style, and want to use it in an Application, you
need to select the Appropriate Plan on MapBox. In our case, this map would
be inside an internal Enterprise Web Application, and hence we would be
purchasing an Enterprise plan.



Regards,
Devdatta

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Akshay Agrawal <
aksh...@india.tejasnetworks.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> I was using a tile scheme as shown in https://github.com/osm-in/
> openstreetmap.in for developing my web Application. But this only allows
> me to use for personal development. How can I use the same map for
> commercial purpose.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Akshay
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2017 3:32 PM
> *To:* OpenStreetMap in India
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-in] OpenStreet india map for commercial use.
>
> Hey Akshay,
>
> I am not fully sure of your question, but if you are interested in
> modifying the disputed boundaries of India, there's a plugin that can do
> this for you: https://github.com/mapbox/mapbox-gl-boundaries
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Re: [Talk-in] Fwd: Recreating the Map for FSFTN

[Devdatta Tengshe]

Hi Balaj,

I'm looking at FSMK GLUG for the first time, but I can provide some
pointers.

The app seems to be made with Basemap coming from a MapBox service and the
actual markers/pointers coming from the Data folder.

The easiest way to modify this for your requirements would be to make a
Service in MapBox and consume it for the Background (you don't want to use
the same service which they are using, since I believe it's coming from
someone's metered account and not a Public service.;

You can create GeoJSON online by using a site like: http://geojson.io/


Regards,
Devdatta

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Balaji Ravichandran 
wrote:

>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Balaji Ravichandran 
> Date: 7 August 2017 at 10:36
> Subject: Recreating the Map for FSFTN
> To: fsmk-disc...@lists.fsmk.in
> Cc: talk-in@openstreetmap.org
>
>
> Hi Team,
> I recently came across FSMK GLUG Map through its repository in Github. I
> need to recreate the same for FSFTN (https://fsftn.org). We have the GLUG
> Details of FSFTN.
>
> Need help on,
>
>- What we need to know is how to Map Tamil Nadu as you did for
>Karnataka outline on the map?
>- How to generate GeoJson with the GLUG details in hand?
>- Please provide details for forking it and reusing it for FSFTN
>
> The original repository is here 
> .
> I have raised the issue here
> .
> The forked repository is here .
>
> It would be great if the community helps us on this. :-)
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Re: [Talk-in] Increase Zoom Level in OSM server

[Devdatta Tengshe]

Several years back I too had had the same problem.

Increasing the MaxZoom beyond 20 is not as simple as one would think. See:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:SomeoneElse/mod_tile_28

Regards,
Devdatta

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 1:42 PM, amisha budhiraja <
amishabudhiraj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I want to increase the zoom level of my own OSM server to more than
> 20. If I set the value of the variable MAXZOOM in renderd.conf file to
> more than 20.
>
> Then, on running the following command it gives me error.
>
> $ renderd -f -c /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf
>
> 
> Specified max zoom (21) is to large. Renderd currently only supports
> up to zoom level 20
> 
>
> Can somebody help me in it?
>
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Re: [Talk-in] Export Particular area

[Devdatta Tengshe]

What exactly are you trying to do? Is this a Desktop/Mobile App? or a Web
App?

If it's the later, then have a look at: https://switch2osm.org/

If it's the former, then you'll have to write some code to read and parse
the .osm file, which is an XML file.

Regards,
Devdatta

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:10 AM, akshay sharma <akku25aks...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
> Can I customize the map as privately, that means only in my application
> that area will display with customization which i will do, because of
> security reason I want to publish the custom map as privately Is it
> possible then please let me know.
>
> Thanks & Regards
> akshay Sharma
>
> On 12 October 2016 at 13:01, akshay sharma <akku25aks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> After download the osm data. How i can use in my application.
>>
>> On 12 October 2016 at 09:05, Devdatta Tengshe <devda...@tengshe.in>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There are multiple ways of extracting Data from the OSM Database, and
>>> these have been described here:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Downloading_data
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Export
>>>
>>> However, I find the following site to be the easiest way to download
>>> data for any custom shape:
>>> http://extract.bbbike.org/
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Devdatta
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:13 AM, akshay sharma <akku25aks...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I am using openstreetmap in my application.I want to know how I can
>>>> extract particular area from your map and show that area only in my
>>>> application. Please help me.
>>>> thanks & Regads
>>>> Akshay Sharma
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Re: [Talk-in] Export Particular area

[Devdatta Tengshe]

There are multiple ways of extracting Data from the OSM Database, and these
have been described here:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Downloading_data

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Export

However, I find the following site to be the easiest way to download data
for any custom shape:
http://extract.bbbike.org/

Regards,
Devdatta

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> I am using openstreetmap in my application.I want to know how I can
> extract particular area from your map and show that area only in my
> application. Please help me.
> thanks & Regads
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Re: [Talk-in] India - Bangladesh enclaves/exclaves on OSM

[Devdatta Tengshe]

You can get the list of enclaves in the actual 1974 agrement which was
signed, and is mentioned in the 119th Amendment of the Constitution.

You can get more details here:
http://www.prsindia.org/billtrack/the-constitution-119th-amendment-bill-2013-3049/

The actual list is present pg 5 onward in this pdf:
http://www.prsindia.org/uploads/media/Constitution%20119/Constitution%20%28119th%29%20Bill,%202013.pdf



Regards,
Devdatta

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Jinal Foflia  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Came across this blog [1] on the enclaves and exclaves issue related to
> India - Bangladesh. Do we have any official document about the swap of
> enclaves between Bangladesh and India? Also the data on OpenStreetMap says
> that we have 2 remaining exclaves, was there a complete swap of
> enclaves/exclaves? How should the data be updated on OSM?
>
>
>
> [1] - http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2016/08/india-
> bangladesh-enclaves.html
>
> Some more articles (These are articles from different sources)
>
> - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/
> 08/01/say-goodbye-to-the-weirdest-border-dispute-in-the-world/?tid=a_inl
> - http://zeenews.india.com/news/west-bengal/celebrations-
> erupt-in-cooch-behar-after-india-bangladesh-ratify-lba_1608611.html
> - http://zeenews.india.com/tags/land-boundary-agreement.html
> - http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/indiabangladesh-land-
> boundary-agreement-security-a-prime-concern-after-enclaves-
> exchange/article7491756.ece
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Re: [Talk-in] Classification of Indian places

[Devdatta Tengshe]

This link gives the criteria:

http://censusindia.gov.in/2011-prov-results/paper2/data_files/kerala/13-concept-34.pdf

For a town, the population criteria is quite small. To be called a town, it
should meet all the following criteria:
1)Population exceeds 5,000
2)At least 75% of male working population is employed outside the
agricultural sector
3)Minimum population density of 400 persons per km

Regards,
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On 27-Aug-2016 12:51 am, "Arun Ganesh" <arun.plane...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The 2001 census defined a city as a place with over 100,000 persons [1].
> Any idea if there is a more updated definition, or what would be the
> difference between a village and town?
>
> [1] http://censusindia.gov.in/Metadata/Metada.htm#2c
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Re: [Talk-in] Greater Bombay

[Devdatta Tengshe]

Greater Bombay was never officially an area, but the name probably became
popular due to the Municipal Body being called 'Municipal Corporation of
Greater Bombay'.

India has the concepts of Districts as the subdivision of states, and the
Mumbai Region falls under two districts of Mumbai City & Mumbai Suburbs.

The closest corresponding region would probably be the Mumbai Metropolitan
Region (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai_Metropolitan_Region) But it
covers multiple districts, cities and Municipalities.

Regards,
Devdatta

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:39 PM, JānisE  wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Is "Greater Bombay" county really correct?
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/316417175
> Shouldn't it be "Greater Mumbai"?
>
> It shows up in geocoding results everywhere. E.g., if I search for
> "Mumbai", an address of Mumbai city is returned containing county "Greater
> Bombay".
>
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Re: [Talk-in] [datameet] [Draft for Consultation]: National Geo-spatial Policy, 2016.

[Devdatta Tengshe]

Nisha is completely correct.

This policy is for the DST, and ISRO in particular. It talks about how
government agencies to create spatial data, and share it with the public in
an easy to consume manner.  This Policy infact dilutes some of the
restrictions which were present in 'The Remote Sensing Data Policy',


Regards,
Devdatta

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Nisha Thompson  wrote:

> I'm going to clarify this
>
> But my understanding (no one quote me) is that this is a policy for DST
> not a law which the GIS Reg Bill would be. So they are not really opposed
> to each other but show the amount of discord within the government.
>
> Nisha
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:27 PM, shirish शिरीष 
> wrote:
>
>> at bottom :-
>>
>> On 10/05/2016, H. S. Sudhira  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> >
>> http://www.dst.gov.in/news/national-geospatial-policy-public-consultation-upto-300516-your-views-may-be-send
>> >
>> > National Geospatial Policy for public consultation upto 30.05.16. Your
>> > views may be send to bhoopsi...@nic.in
>> >
>> > The draft policy is made available here:
>> >
>> http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Sudhira.
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Would it be possible to use some cloud service where both the
>> proposals are side-to-side and there is possibility of examining tone,
>> tenor, language and terminology which is changed between the two.
>>
>> And as pointed out by a later poster, this seems to be in direct
>> opposition to the one shared by MHA. I haven't gone through the draft
>> from DST but from what has been told in the email, this seems to be
>> better.
>>
>> Look forward to know what people make of it.
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Re: [Talk-in] National Waterways in India

[Devdatta Tengshe]

You should also note that the entire length of the river is not a waterway,
according to the act.

So we'll have to take care to tag only the specific lengths of the rivers..

Regards,
Devdatta

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Arun Ganesh  wrote:

> If its a national reference, just `ref=NW4` should do. No real value of a
> subkey unless there are competing national level identifiers.
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:37 PM, Naveen Francis  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> A dairy entry on NW @
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/naveenpf/diary/38245
>>
>> There is proposal to have @
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Waterways_%28India%29
>>
>>- ref:IWAI=NW4
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Please chip in with your suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> naveenpf
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Re: [Talk-in] Pincode Boundaries on OpenStreetMap for India

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Hi Shravan,
What data source would you be using for creating these boundaries?

As far as I know, no Authoritative Boundaries exist. In fact I'll go to the
extent of saying that you cannot have boundaries, because that supposes,
that the entire country is completely covered by mutually exclusive
pin-codes, which isn't true. Here is an article which also has a similar
position: http://www.georeference.org/doc/zip_codes_are_not_areas.htm

When people talk about pincode polygons, the real question which people are
trying to answer is 'which post-office services a given location?', and
there are ways to approximately answer that;

That could be answered by mapping post-offices and their pincodes, and then
trying to figure out which area is served by a particular post-office.

Anyway, that was my opinion. I'll like to hear what other people have to
say.


Regards,
Devdatta

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> Hi everyone,
>
> I am interested in creating pincode boundaries for India. I think it is
> possible to use OpenStreetMap for creating these boundaries
> .
>
> How about we create a dedicated task to map pincode boundaries in India.
>
> Any suggestions on how this can be initiated.
>
> Thanks,
> Shravan 
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[Talk-in] How to tag Sacred Groves (Devrai) in OSM?

[Devdatta Tengshe]

I was asked this question by Nikhil, who works on open Data in Pune, and I
thought I should post this question to the OSM India Mailing list


A Devrai (Sacred Grove) is many things at once:
1. A place of worship
2. A patch of forest / woodland
3. A community-led biodiversity conservation hotspot

The continued preservation of many of these across the country has ensured
the survival of many species in regions where the rest of the area is
flattened farmland, water retention, etc. There is an ongoing effort by
some groups to identify and map these so they can be better placed to
protect them.

There are specific names for different Sacred Groves, usually dedicated to
a particular deity or identified as the local area's devrai.

How would one feed this information into OSM?


I could only figure out the following tags:
amenity place_of_worship
name Sacred Grove

but these don't seem enough. So could you suggest other tags that can be
used?


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Re: [Talk-in] OSM turns 11 [important]

[Devdatta Tengshe]

I'll be speaking tomorrow at the Datameet's Pune chapter tomorrow on
Spatial Data, and OSM's role in it. It's a nice way to celebrate OSM by
introducing more people to it.

Those that are are Pune, can join us tomorrow at 4.30 p.m. at Thoughtworks.
If you have not yet filled out the RSVP you can do so at this link
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1txq-zg46-HBKdVlh0cBZ0NvXQ-SgTtzmtdx9MxcKwjo/viewform?c=0w=1
Hope to see you there!

Regards,
Dev

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey everyone the birthday
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_11th_Anniversary_Birthday_party
 is coming up. Ideas?


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Re: [Talk-in] Understanding the OSM tile server architecture!

[Devdatta Tengshe]

Hi Sajjad,

This presentation looks amazing. Is there a Video version somewhere?

Regards,
Devdatta


On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Sajjad Anwar m...@sajjad.in wrote:

 Hey Mayuresh -

 I have worked on the OpenStreetMap infrastructure a bit and might be
 able to take your questions.
 One of my recent talks might also be useful -

 http://sajjad.in/2014/07/openstreetmap-as-infrastructure-the-fifth-elephant-bangalore-2014/

 Cheers,
 Sajjad

 On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Devdatta Tengshe devda...@tengshe.in
 wrote:
  Hi Mayuresh,
 
  I have some experience with the architecture of these kinds of
 GIS/Mapping
  systems, and can possibly help you out. What do you want to know?
 
  You should also have a look at these links:
  http://www.slideshare.net/firefishy1/server-devopts
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Component_overview
 
  Regards,
  Devdatta
 
 
  On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Mayuresh Kathe mayur...@kathe.in
 wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Is there anyone on this list who's knowledgeable about OSM's
 architecture?
 
  If there is, would he/she be willing to field a bunch of questions which
  would allow me to understand OSM internals better?
 
  I have tried to dig things up on my own, read an article, know about
  Mapnik, but, just can't get the whole thing in my head in a coherent
 manner.
  Hence the request above.
 
  Best,
 
  ~Mayuresh
 
 
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Re: [Talk-in] Understanding the OSM tile server architecture!

[Devdatta Tengshe]

Hi Mayuresh,

I have some experience with the architecture of these kinds of GIS/Mapping
systems, and can possibly help you out. What do you want to know?

You should also have a look at these links:
http://www.slideshare.net/firefishy1/server-devopts
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Component_overview

Regards,
Devdatta


On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Mayuresh Kathe mayur...@kathe.in wrote:

 Hi,

 Is there anyone on this list who's knowledgeable about OSM's architecture?

 If there is, would he/she be willing to field a bunch of questions which
 would allow me to understand OSM internals better?

 I have tried to dig things up on my own, read an article, know about
 Mapnik, but, just can't get the whole thing in my head in a coherent manner.
 Hence the request above.

 Best,

 ~Mayuresh


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