Re: [Talk-us] United States Bicycle Route System ballot(s) pending AASHTO approval

2020-09-21 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
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On Friday, September 18, 2020 1:53 PM, stevea  wrote:

> There are at least four new national bicycle routes "pending" in the USBRS! 
> (Ballots by state Departments of Transportation before AASHTO's Autumn 2020 
> round):

> USBR 201 in Maryland.

This one has now been completed.  The way is only good in one direction 
(east-to-west), however, and doesn't take into account the dual carriageways 
along the way.  I like to see the nice, pretty straight line on the relation so 
I'm not sure if a separate relation is needed for going the opposite direction 
(east bound) or if one should just tag the other side of the road where 
applicable.  In any case, this is done for the most part.

- Sparks
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[Talk-us] Mapping the Future I-87?

2020-08-23 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
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For the last few months, I've been seeing "Future I-87" signs along portions of 
US-64 and US-17 in North Carolina.  I-87[0] exists on a section of highway near 
Raleigh, NC, and will eventually extend to Norfolk, VA.

Should I start a relation for "Future I-87" and add those sections of highway 
that are already known to be part of the project to the relation?

Thanks,
Eric "Sparks"

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_87_(North_Carolina)





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[Talk-us] Marking structure as damaged or condemned

2020-08-05 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
Tropical Storm Isaias left several homes in my neighborhood severely damaged 
and condemned.  Is there a proper way to map these structures?

Thanks,
Eric

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Re: [Talk-us] access=private on driveways

2020-07-14 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
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On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:15 AM, Matthew Woehlke  
wrote:

> The (possible) problem with having access implied by service=driveway is
> that a lot of access roads to stores/businesses/offices are also
> service=driveway... although I suppose you could argue these have the
> same semantics; you shouldn't be using them unless you're actually going
> to the location to which they provide access. (Which isn't to say that
> no one ever violates this...)

This ^^^ is, I believe, the crux of the matter.  Driveways shouldn't (or should 
rarely be) access=private as they are actually access=destination.  There are 
obvious times when you WANT someone to use your driveway.  Are there times to 
mark a highway=* as access=private?  Sure.  But I don't think driveways should 
be, by default, thought of as private when they are expected to be used by 
people with a valid need to access the property.  I believe that's what 
access=destination was designed for.  It works on driveways and it works on 
neighborhood streets in gated communities (keeps the router from trying to 
route through the neighborhood) if my understanding is correct (at least it's 
worked well for me).

R,
Eric "Sparks"
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Re: [Talk-us] Updating opening_hours for COVID-19.

2020-03-19 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
Sure, I get that. The flip side is that it is likely to get confusing what is 
open and when with all the changes occurring. It would be good to have a 
resource to help people determine where they can go if they need something.

Eric

 Original Message 
On Mar 19, 2020, 10:06, Rihards wrote:

> On 19.03.20 15:49, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
>> On 3/13/20 15:36, Eric Christensen via Talk-us wrote:
>>> I've been updating the opening_hours for businesses and services as I
>>> hear about them closing or changing their hours of operation for
>>> COVID-19. I'm also adding a note in the description with any
>>> information the source is providing.
>>>
>>> Seems like a good idea to keep people updated to what's open and what's not.
>>>
>>> I wonder if anyone else is also doing this as well?
>>
>> Bad idea since these are emergency changes and unlikely to be permanent.
>> I am putting in the "normal" hours where they are known, with the
>> understanding that people should know locations will be changing their
>> hours because of the situation and OSM's data will by necessity be out
>> of date for this item.
>
> I decided not to do that pretty quickly - we will have a huge number of
> changes later, as I expect many places to not just change their
> permanent hours, but close.
> --
> Rihards
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Re: [Talk-us] Wilderness areas separate from forest?

2019-12-31 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
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Sorry for the late entry to the discussion but I did have a little information 
to add here.

Wilderness, at least at the federal level, enjoys a different protection from 
that of a national forest.  There is to be no development or tree harvesting in 
such areas and even wildfire management may be different.  I wouldn't 
necessarily start combining the two together as they are managed differently 
and have different purposes and landuse protections.

Eric "Sparks"
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Re: [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

2019-12-19 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
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On Thursday, December 19, 2019 2:19 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> I actually like your suggestion that highway=trunk does not add much value to 
> the U.S. map, Eric.
> We love to add detail / granularity to OSM so much, it can become hard to 
> envisage taking some away.
> Not saying we should abolish trunk right here and now, but something I'd 
> consider as one outcome.

It does seem like there is a lot of arbitrary conditions separating some of 
these road types.  It would be nice to have solid reasoning for tagging a 
roadway a certain way instead of how "important" it is.

The routing engine should be able to take into account the road surface, number 
of stop lights, and other factors into consideration if there are multiple 
routes of similar highways that are "important", IMO.  Any idea why trunk was 
established in the first place?

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Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Monday, December 16, 2019 8:21 PM, Anthony Costanzo  
wrote:

> Given how these and other major
> single-carriageway roads in northern and western Canada are tagged as
> Trunk, tagging AK 2 as such would seem to be the option that defers to
> regional precedent.

Given the discussion we've had so far, unless there is strong opposition to 
doing so, I'm going to updating the tagging of AK-2 to 'trunk' from Canada to 
Eielson AFB for consistency.  This is what it's tagged in the Yukon and, as 
SteveA points out, the differences between Trunk and Primary are little.

This has been a very good discussion, though.

R,
Eric Sparks
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Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
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On Monday, December 16, 2019 7:35 PM, Tod Fitch  wrote:

> My reading of the wiki indicates that for the United States a trunk is “a 
> high speed Arterial Divided highway that is partially grade separated.” [1]
>
> What is the problem with having the main road between regions/cities/towns 
> being “primary”? Do you like the rendering of trunk better?
>
> For myself if I planned a driving trip and was expecting a trunk road I’d 
> sure be surprised to find areas that are undivided and apparently, from other 
> responses in this thread, unpaved in sections.
>
> [1] 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States/Road_classification#Trunk

I haven't seen that wiki page before.  Looking at the trunk page[0], the 
highway need not be divided and the U.S.-specific portion says "Surface 
expressway: A relatively high-speed divided road (at least 40 MPH with a 
barrier or median separating each direction of traffic), with a limited amount 
of intersections and driveways; or a major intercity highway. This includes 
many U.S. Highways (that do not parallel an Interstate) and some state 
highways.".  To me that meets the requirement for AK-2.

[0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrunk

--Eric "Sparks"
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[Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
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I've noticed that there is some mixed tagging of the Alaska Highway AK-2 from 
the Canadian border through Delta Junction to where it becomes a divided 
highway just south and east of Fairbanks at Eielson Air Force Base.  Some of 
the non-divided portions are tagged as trunk while the other (majority) is 
tagged as primary.  The definitions of these two tags are similar enough in the 
U.S. to almost be interchangeable.  Being that this highway links many villages 
with Canada and the City of Fairbanks and the speed limit is 65 MPH, I would 
lean towards this highway being tagged as trunk.  By the same definition, I'd 
probably argue the same for the Richardson Highway AK-4.

Thoughts?

R,
Eric "Sparks"




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Re: [Talk-us] Proper way to "close" a ferry route

2019-09-09 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
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On Monday, September 9, 2019 11:20 AM, Mateusz Konieczny 
 wrote:

> I would also remove route=ferry tag.
>
> I assume here that "temporary" means
> "closed for at least week or two", 
> with closer closure I have doubts about
> mapping it in OSM.

No, I suspect this might be a while longer.  NC-12 for several miles along the 
east portion of Ocracoke island was buckled by the ocean and a bridge on the 
island is missing.  Repairs from last year's hurricane hadn't even been 
completed although the roadway had been opened.  I suspect this will be a 
closure of at least a month if not more.

I'll go ahead and remove the route=ferry as well.  I've also marked the roadway 
as being "under construction" to prevent any routing that far east although if 
you've made it onto the island you probably know already.

Thanks,
Eric
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Re: [Talk-us] Website showing the best time to survey with GPS.

2019-06-27 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
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On Thursday, June 27, 2019 7:58 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> The answer the OP was looking for is likely https://www.gnssplanning.com/


Thank you!!!  My Google-fu has been failing me lately.

Eric
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Re: [Talk-us] Website showing the best time to survey with GPS.

2019-06-27 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
I use GPSr devices other than what's in my smartphone.  The point is that if 
all the satellites are clustered directly overhead the diversity isn't great 
enough to give a truly accurate position on the ground.  For best surveying 
with a GPSr, you want satellites to not only be overhead but toward the horizon 
(and everywhere in between) as well.

Eric

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On Thursday, June 27, 2019 2:15 AM, Mateusz Konieczny  
wrote:

> Note that for a typical GPS, especially GPS in smartphone I would expect that
> this effects will be not really noticeable in affecting accuracy.
>
> Maybe except massive solar storms like
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
>
> I tried to check sources, but quick search found nothing really good, except 
> some things
> like
> https://www.utdallas.edu/news/2013/5/16-23761_Solar-Flares-May-Interrupt-GPS-Navigation-Research_article-wide.html
> "If a flare is particularly large, the resulting turbulence in our upper 
> atmosphere
> could disrupt radio signals and GPS navigation, for example."
>
> what seems to confirm that you need really unusual activity to have results.
>
> 27 Jun 2019, 00:18 by talk-us@openstreetmap.org:
>
>> I was told there was a website that forecasted the best times to do survey 
>> work with GNSS based upon diversity of satellites in the sky, solar 
>> activity, etc. Does anyone know what site this is?
>>
>> Thanks,
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[Talk-us] Website showing the best time to survey with GPS.

2019-06-26 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
I was told there was a website that forecasted the best times to do survey work 
with GNSS based upon diversity of satellites in the sky, solar activity, etc. 
Does anyone know what site this is?

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Re: [Talk-us] Gated communities

2019-03-20 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
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On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 6:38 PM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Should all roads inside the gated community be access=private?

I wouldn't necessarily mark all the roads as private as I think that would 
hinder the routing engines.

> What tags should be applied to (a) the main gate where visitors and
> delivery services are expected to report, and (b) resident-only gates?

I've mapped a neighborhood like this before and I think I got the routing to 
work properly by using gates at non-manned areas with access=private and 
something else at the guard houses with access=designated or something to that 
affect.  I think that fits the model...

Eric "Sparks"
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Re: [Talk-us] Anyone interested in fixing Pine Mountain Trail, FDR state park, GA?

2019-02-06 Diskussionsfäden Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
I can do it. Sounds right up my alley...

Eric "Sparks"
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On Feb 6, 2019, 02:56, Frederik Ramm wrote:

> Hi,
>
> DWG has received a message from someone at the "Pine Mountain Trail
> Association Board", pointing out several mis-named trails and offering
> to explain further in a telephone call ("CALL ME, not email me, not text
> me"). He's also offering to send a trail map which may be used to take
> correct names from.
>
> He's mixing up OSM and AllTrails and it is not clear whether he refers
> to particular AllTrails issues or genuine OSM issues, though with
> AllTrails using OSM data it is likely that at least some of the issues
> are OSM. He also complains about incorrect mileage shown but that is
> most likely an AllTrails issue.
>
> Would someone be interested in taking up the matter, making the phone
> call, potentially receiving a trail map and fixing what needs to be
> fixed in OSM, if anything? Then I'd forward the message. I'm not posting
> it because it contains telephone numbers and names.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
> --
> Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"
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