Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 130, Issue 17

2018-09-13 Diskussionsfäden Jay Johnson
SteveA,

The authoritative source for railroad GIS data is usually considered to be
BTS:

https://www.bts.gov/

When I worked at BNSF, that is what was used to initially populate the
linework for our rail feature class.

Class I railroads (the very large ones) are generally regulated by the
Federal Railroad Administration.  PUC is for telecom, electric and gas.

Jay

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> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 18:29:23 -0400
> From: EthnicFood IsGreat 
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> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes
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> > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:25:15 -0700
> > From: Peter Dobratz 
> > To: bhou...@gmail.com
> > Cc: "talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap"
> >   , 354...@gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes
> >
> > It would be good to standardize on operator tags for the 4 major carriers
> > as you mentioned.  The logos for DHL, FedEx, and UPS have those exact
> > letters in them, so if people map what they see, then they will end up
> with
> > those exact values.  However, as mentioned, the USPS logo actually
> contains
> > the text United States Postal Service.
> >
> > I could be convinced to switch my tagging from United States Postal
> Service
> > to USPS.  Are there any arguments to support the short form beyond it
> being
> > easier to type?
>
> [...]
>
> I would like to point out there are free, little utilities like
> Typertask that will quickly expand a few keystrokes into many more
> letters.  This can greatly speed up typing long strings like "United
> States Postal Service".
>
> Mark
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:49:58 -0700
> From: OSM Volunteer stevea 
> To: talk-us 
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Denver RTD's public_transport growth
> Message-ID: <3f4ca4b1-673d-4035-b268-122ee2c9b...@softworkers.com>
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> On Sep 2, 2018, at 9:52 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea <
> stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:
> >
> > I "found something rectangular" and sketched in
> http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Colorado/Railroads which we might agree (as a
> useful, communicative wiki) is "alpha-1" or so.
>
> Following up to my own post, (that wiki continues as "early alpha"), two
> important tasks emerge:
>
> 1)  Denver RTD's University of Colorado A Line (train) needs nodes/ways
> added to OSM, tagged public_transport=platform to grow the route from
> public_transport:version=1 to v2.  Seeing this is a pretty
> heavily-travelled passenger=suburban route=train, this shouldn't be too
> difficult, and
>
> 2)  TIGER Review of existing mainline freight rail (primarily mainline
> BNSF routes Colorado Springs, Pikes Peak, Spanish Peaks and Walsenburg
> Subdivisions) will need some additional authoritative data sources
> (Colorado PUC?) to "untangle" them from UP lines:  they have blurred so
> much and are have gotten so confused that the original TIGER data are
> virtually incomprehensible as they exist in OSM at present.
>
> Of course, keeping the wiki synced with the data in OSM is the whole
> point.  Then we go beta and eventually Colorado/Railroads become "a pretty
> darn good set of statewide rail data, well-documented."  One state at a
> time, OSM rail data (from decade-old hoary TIGER data) do measurably and
> demonstrably improve.
>
> Thanks, especially to Colorado OSMers/rail enthusiasts who have responded
> so far,
>
> SteveA
> California
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Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 130, Issue 8

2018-09-06 Diskussionsfäden Jay Johnson
Here are the North Carolina nuclear evacuation routes.

https://www.ncdot.gov/travel-maps/maps/Pages/evacuation-routes.aspx

The hurricane routes are here:

https://www.ncdot.gov/travel-maps/maps/Documents/coastal-evacuation-routes.pdf




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> On 2018.09.06. 02:06, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
> > I recently finished an update to the evacuation routes feature[0],
> turning it into a relation (route).  I'll be working on adding hurricane
> evacuation routes to areas I'm familiar with (Maryland, Hampton Roads area
> of Virginia, and Northeast North Carolina) but I encourage others to add
> evacuation routes to their local areas as well.
>
> That page says "Cycle routes or bicycle route are named or numbered or
> otherwise signed routes. May go along roads, trails or dedicated cycle
> paths."
>
> Is that correct?
>
> > Currently, JOSM doesn't recognize this route type and I don't think
> they're being rendered on any third-party software but I'm hoping once
> enough data is in the system we'll be able to show a reason for rendering
> such information.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sparks
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> > [0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Devacuation
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Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 130, Issue 3

2018-09-03 Diskussionsfäden Jay Johnson
How may I reformat a SD card or microSD card as described above?  How can I
check my card?

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>1. Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-08-31 (Dave Hansen)
>2. Re: Naming numbered roads as "State Route X", "Interstate X",
>   etc. (Nathan Mills)
>3. Re: Naming numbered roads as "State Route X", "Interstate X",
>   etc. (Kevin Kenny)
>4. Re: Naming numbered roads as "State Route X", "Interstate X",
>   etc. (Paul Johnson)
>5. Denver RTD's public_transport growth (OSM Volunteer stevea)
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> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 14:34:59 +
> From: Dave Hansen 
> To: ,
> Subject: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-08-31
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> These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
>
> http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
>
> If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
> free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
> odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
> asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.
>
> Downloads:
>
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-08-31
>
> Map to visualize what each file contains:
>
>
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-08-31/kml/kml.html
> 
>
> FAQ
>
> 
>
> Why did you do this?
>
> I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
> of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
> cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
> on removable media.
>
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-08-31
>
> Can or should I seed the torrents?
>
> Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
> server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
> side of the Atlantic.
>
> Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?
>
> There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
> red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
> want to update if you had issues with the last set.
>
> Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?
>
> If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
> the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
> file.
>
> Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?
>
> Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
> in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
> to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
> This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
> non-US area to get included, let me know.
>
> -- Dave
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 16:16:43 -0400
> From: Nathan Mills 
> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Naming numbered roads as "State Route X",
> "Interstate X", etc.
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> The New Sapulpa Road situation is in practice a road with a secondary
> name. Just like Flagler Street in part of Miami (FL, not OK) is defined by
> the state legislature as being "Natan A Rok Boulevard" (or similar, working
> from memory here).
>
> My personal opinion is that if local practice and the USPS continue to use
> the old name, that name should stay in the name tag, while the
> Legislature's political name should be tagged as an alt_name. That said,
> there are situations in which most/all signage refers to the new name, in
> which case switching them makes sense. (Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard in
> Fayetteville, AR being an example. Most still call it 6th Street, but the
> city, nearly all signage, and the USPS' preferred name are all "Martin
> Luther King Jr Boulevard," and they are going to keep it up until everyone
> gets with the program)
>
> Sometimes, the name really is "Highway 66" or "Route 22." Admittedly, it
> can sometimes be hard to tell for sure without local knowledge. As long as
> people do their best and aren't dogmatic about it when someone who knows
> better comes along in the future it will all work out in the end.
>
> -Nathan
>
> On September 1, 2018 5:28:11 PM EDT, Paul Johnson 
> wrote:
> >On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM Peter Dobratz  wrote:
> >
> >To 

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 129, Issue 35

2018-08-30 Diskussionsfäden Jay Johnson
Where were the buildings from?  I am in Raleigh and can help.

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> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:38:52 -0700
> From: Ben Discoe 
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> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] buggy buildings in Maryland
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> +1 to Elliot Plack's proposal to use Simplify to remove the redundant
> nodes from the poor quality imported buildings.
>
> In fact, I did this myself for another massive import: User "jumbanho"
> imported buildings for the large city of Raleigh, NC back in January
> 2010.
> There were lots of degenerate nodes, which I cleaned up in batches
> using JOSM's simplify.  I did most of the cleanup in 2015.
>
> -Ben
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 5:30 AM Elliott Plack 
> wrote:
> >
> > Here's a potential fix: use the SimplifyArea JOSM Plugin.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/SimplifyArea
> >
> > The plugin is built for fixing over-noded and buggy imports.
> >
> > As a test, I downloaded the plugin and then downloaded some of Annapolis
> sailor's buildings.
> >
> > This building should only contain four nodes:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/525751797
> >
> > This building should only contain eight nodes:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/526209538
> >
> > The plugin successfully reduced the nodes for both buildings without
> affecting the shape, unlike the simplify way tool.
> >
> > I tested it on a larger swath of 500 buildings and it took less than a
> second to run.
> >
> > I haven't uploaded any of the changes yet, but I think this would be a
> good path forward.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 8:02 PM Frederik Ramm 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 08/16/2018 08:08 PM, Elliott Plack wrote:
> >> > I'd say go ahead and remove the extraneous nodes
> >>
> >> This has now been done.
> >>
> >> > and also any buildings
> >> > that are either version 0 or do not have any new tags (like names or
> >> > addresses)
> >>
> >> It appears that of the 177,151 buildings still there, only 29,513 have
> >> tags other than building=*. In most cases, these other tags are
> >> addr:street and addr:housenumber.
> >>
> >> I'll let this rest for a bit to give others a chance to chime in.
> >>
> >> Bye
> >> Frederik
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Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 129, Issue 33

2018-08-28 Diskussionsfäden Jay Johnson
The power squadrons are racing boats.  That is not a government agency.  Few 
people are going to mix up NASCAR and USPS, and I think the same thing applies 
here.  Powerboats are not in a fixed location.




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Today's Topics:

   1. USPS Post Boxes (Leif Rasmussen)
   2. Re: USPS Post Boxes (Paul Johnson)
   3. Re: USPS Post Boxes (Jmapb)
   4. Re: USPS Post Boxes (Jack Burke)


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 15:31:32 -0400
From: Leif Rasmussen <354...@gmail.com>
To: talk-us 
Subject: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes
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Hi everyone,
A couple of days ago, I noticed that different post boxes in the United
States had different ways of tagging that they were part of the USPS
system.  Roughly 60% had "operator"="USPS", 40% "operator"="United States
Postal Service", and about 15 similar to "operator"="United States Post
Services" or "United States Post Office".  I wanted to make them all the
same, so I asked on the OSMUS Slack group about the tags, and most people
supported "USPS".  I then proceeded to upload a changeset manually
converting 1500 "United States Postal Service" or similar to "USPS".  I
should have waited longer before uploading.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/62020302
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Boq
All post boxes in the USPS system now have "operator"="USPS".
After uploading, people expressed concern about the choice of "USPS" over
"United States Postal Service".  The wiki states that abbreviations should
be expanded, "USPS" could be confused with other agencies
, and this
counted as an automated edit, which should have had better planning with
the OSM community.
I would now like to propose converting all post boxes with the tag
"operator"="USPS" to "operator"="United States Postal Service".  I would
also like to add the tag "operator:wikidata"="Q668687" to the post boxes
that currently have "operator"="USPS".  Please reply with any feedback or
concerns you have with this proposal.
Thank you,
Leif Rasmussen
OSM username: LeifRasmussen 
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I fully support the expanded version, not the abbreviated version.

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 14:32 Leif Rasmussen <354...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> A couple of days ago, I noticed that different post boxes in the United
> States had different ways of tagging that they were part of the USPS
> system.  Roughly 60% had "operator"="USPS", 40% "operator"="United States
> Postal Service", and about 15 similar to "operator"="United States Post
> Services" or "United States Post Office".  I wanted to make them all the
> same, so I asked on the OSMUS Slack group about the tags, and most people
> supported "USPS".  I then proceeded to upload a changeset manually
> converting 1500 "United States Postal Service" or similar to "USPS".  I
> should have waited longer before uploading.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/62020302
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Boq
> All post boxes in the USPS system now have "operator"="USPS".
> After uploading, people expressed concern about the choice of "USPS" over
> "United States Postal Service".  The wiki states that abbreviations should
> be expanded, "USPS" could be confused with other agencies
> , and this
> counted as an automated edit, which should have had better planning with
> the OSM community.
> I would now like to propose converting all post boxes with the tag
> "operator"="USPS" to "operator"="United States Postal Service".  I would
> also like to add the tag "operator:wikidata"="Q668687" to the post boxes
> that currently have "operator"="USPS".  Please reply with any feedback or
> concerns you have with this proposal.
> Thank you,
> Leif Rasmussen
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