[talk-au] OSM people in ACT
Hi All, I am searching for active OSM contributors in ACT, if you are one please email me or contact me via my mobile. I am interested to get your thoughts on the current state of OSM in ACT and if there is any aspect the government can assist in. Cheers Kristy Van Putten kristy.vanput...@gmail.com 0414844825 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Thanks Jason, This is a great tool! The majority of government is trying to move to an open license, with GA leading in the geospatial front. What we need to get our heads around is the difference between CCBY 4.0 and ODBL. Community outreach programs would be great, or even potentially working with spatial institutes such as SSSI to encourage OSM in schools. I will take a look at the import list and see whats happening around the world - your right this might shed a light on potential assistance. As Andrew just pointed out access to imagery would also be very beneficial, I will look into this a bit further and see what can be done there (specially ACT to start with). I will start to contact the super users in ACT. Cheers On Tue, 5 May 2015 at 16:44 Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kristy, Not a large userbase in the ACT and not all of them may subscribe to this list. To help you in your search the following link may prove useful (Suggest unticking Black, Red and Orange users in the top left corner for a closer measure of 'active' contributors) http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=11lat=-35.29175lon=149.17885layers=B00FTT While I don't represent the contributors in ACT it would be great if (the whole of) government was able to provide or make accessible data with suitable licence clearances for use in OSM. Despite that and noting the small contributor count in the region maybe more 'useful' would be the application of resources to help with the contribution of data OR some sort of government advocacy/community growth initiative with the long game being to build the local contributor base. To adapt a recent phrase from another list, OSM is a collection of on-the-ground observations and while there is a place for supply of government information, and notwithstanding your Indonesian HOT experience, your time would be well spent looking at some of the imports carried out in other parts of the world (some good, others less so), as well as subscribing to the @imports list (if you haven't done so) for a view into the workings OSM members apply to externally supplied information. Cheers, Jason M: 0438740049 On 5 May 2015 at 16:11, Kristy Van Putten kristy.vanput...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am searching for active OSM contributors in ACT, if you are one please email me or contact me via my mobile. I am interested to get your thoughts on the current state of OSM in ACT and if there is any aspect the government can assist in. Cheers Kristy Van Putten kristy.vanput...@gmail.com 0414844825 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Hi David, Thanks for sending me to the website it was an interesting read. I like the 8 divisions, and think it should be explored and socialised more. One way of fixing the rendering problem is to render it specially for 4WD and or Cycle. http://www.opencyclemap.org/. We could agree on a style using all the grades and produce a rendered map. One option I have been toying with is trying to get some space in an Australian 4WD magazine to start advertising the use of OSM. However it would be best if we had the guidelines ready to go, and some great applications that they can jump to, to begin using straight away. As well as a HowTo guide to put their own favourite tracks in. I would really like to discuss this further, are you thinking of attending the SoTM this year in UK? It would be a good lightening talk to find out if there are these same concerns across the world. Cheers On 01/05/2013, at 7:28 AM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 16:29 +0700, kristy van putten wrote: .. has anyone thought of 4WD trails in OSM? I would also be keen to find out if there are any Ozzy teaching OSM to schools or scout groups etc? Kristy, I have a particular interest in 4wd trails and OSM. I am particularly concerned how 4wd roads are recorded and typically displayed. The difficulty is that we all seem to use a range of standards and generally, the rendering people ignore them all. Perhaps not unreasonably. Just before christmas, I lead a bit of a campaing to get some clear standards in place for defining 4wd tracks, the idea being, consistent with OSM guidelines, that highway= be used to signify the purpose of the road and tags such as tracktype= be used to describe the likely state its in. Tracktype= already has grade1 to grade5 but 4wd tracks, needed, IMHO 6,7 and 8. Sadly, while everyone agreed something needed to be done, I did not see enough support for that idea to get past the OSM voting model. It therefore just a recommendation on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Roads_Tagging 4wd_only is another option, it is at least official. However, it has only one 'level' and apparently the rendering community don't like tags that begin with a numeral, makes postqress column names messy. Trouble is that much of europe and the US don't really understand 4wd tracks/roads, unless there is a widely used stand way of describing them, the renderers will ignore it, mapers won't see any results and won't bother. The poor old motorist will find themselves in serious trouble every now and again ! David Looking forward to talking to you all Cheers -- Kristy Van Putten Spatial Analyst, Data Manager Australia-Indonesia Facility Disaster Reduction Mb: +62 811 987 573 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Hi Steve, Thanks for your insight, I knew Australia was one of the hardest hit when the licensed changed over, but glad to see that there are people out there willing to continue mapping! Licensing is a big issue, and will be definitely one of the top things I will need to consider when I get back to Aus! Cheers On 05/05/2013, at 7:05 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:29 PM, kristy van putten kristy.vanput...@gmail.com wrote: On a personal note I would be interested in hearing more about the OSM Australia activities, and people current goals with OSM. I have read about the Bicentennial National Trail team, has anyone thought of 4WD trails in OSM? I would also be keen to find out if there are any Ozzy teaching OSM to schools or scout groups etc? Hi Kristy, For my part, I've done a lot of mapping in and around Melbourne, but am now shifting attention to rural areas, particularly since Bing imagery has improved a lot. I do a lot of cycle touring, and a bit of hiking, and have quite an interest in having good data in OSM to support those activities. There's also a big crossover between the needs of 4WD-ers and the kind of cycle touring I like to do, so I'm interested in the issues David Bannon raised. Right at the moment, though, I'm remapping some areas along the Goulburn (southwest of Shepparton) that got lost in the licence change. My take on where the Australian OSM community is at is that we're still a bit scarred from the hugely disruptive licence changeover, and the leaving of some of the rather abrasive individuals in the process. I'd love to see more discussion about goals for the community, individual projects etc. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Hi Matt, I think your conclusions is right, that we need to put an Australian standard together. It sounds like the ground work has been done (maybe even multiple times) but there has not been a clear acceptance of any particular schema. How do you think we should go forward with this? My suggestion is that we make a weekend of it, where we come together - where there are plenty of different types of 4WD tracks - and try and test the schema already made. I know I am still living outside of the country, so for me this maybe hard over the next couple of months. I am home in July for a couple of weeks and I am sure I could convince someone to lend me a 4WD. However it is winter, so it won't be the warmest weather! Maybe we could wait till summer? Would anyone be keen? Cheers On 06/05/2013, at 4:22 PM, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: I'm also very interested in 4wd trails - it's what 80% of my mapping consists of I think (that, and house numbers in the inner north of Melbourne) The current 4wd_only tag was one of the tags I proposed a few years ago - there was a massive barney at the time over the smoothness=* and surface=* tags, and all I wanted to do was mark roads that were clearly tagged as 4wd only (proper 4wd as in low range, high clearance). The surface/smoothness debate was interesting, but got in the way of the larger problem. I've come to the conclusion that the Australian mappers pretty much have to go it alone in this area - what the Americans and Europeans call a 4wd track would be a national highway for us (and we actually have a few legitimate highways and primary roads that are 4wd/seasonal closure type roads. I'm not a massive fan of the tracktype=* tag - it's a random number that is too subjective. There was an attempt in Victoria a while ago to class various tracks around the place as 4wd - the DSE/Parks Vic had a program where various 4wd club members were trained in what constituted an green, blue, black and double black road (very ski-trail), and got people out mapping that, but it all went to pot when it turned out that the DSE/Parks Vic guys were taking those results from the 4wd guys, and then either closing the roads to management vehicles only, or grading them so they were rated green. Pretty soon after that, the 4wd clubs got suitably annoyed, and stopped supporting the initiative. To the best of my knowledge, we still don't have a decent subject to seasonal closure tagging schema either - believe that Liz was at one time proposing something, but I think she's given up on OSM post license change. I'd be more than happy to help put together an AU only/AU based 4wd mapping set of rules and tags that we can use - if we can agree on something, I can also mod the hi-res/4wd maps I crank out for the Garmin devices to suit, and possibly even learn the Mapnik rendering stuff to implement the rendering side in Mapnik (seeing as DIY often appears as the only way the renderer gets changed). I wrote up some surface tagging concepts ages ago I thought might fly for handling the surface issue for 4wd tracks, as well as some general rules for tagging roads (eg: when off the beaten track, it's critical to mark the entire stretch of road as 4wd only or similar if there are no turns you can make to get off the road - often once you are on a 4wd road, you tend to be committed to going forwards...) Matt On 1/05/2013 10:28 AM, David Bannon wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 16:29 +0700, kristy van putten wrote: .. has anyone thought of 4WD trails in OSM? I would also be keen to find out if there are any Ozzy teaching OSM to schools or scout groups etc? Kristy, I have a particular interest in 4wd trails and OSM. I am particularly concerned how 4wd roads are recorded and typically displayed. The difficulty is that we all seem to use a range of standards and generally, the rendering people ignore them all. Perhaps not unreasonably. Just before christmas, I lead a bit of a campaing to get some clear standards in place for defining 4wd tracks, the idea being, consistent with OSM guidelines, that highway= be used to signify the purpose of the road and tags such as tracktype= be used to describe the likely state its in. Tracktype= already has grade1 to grade5 but 4wd tracks, needed, IMHO 6,7 and 8. Sadly, while everyone agreed something needed to be done, I did not see enough support for that idea to get past the OSM voting model. It therefore just a recommendation on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Roads_Tagging 4wd_only is another option, it is at least official. However, it has only one 'level' and apparently the rendering community don't like tags that begin with a numeral, makes postqress column names messy. Trouble is that much of europe and the US don't really understand 4wd tracks/roads, unless there is a widely used stand way of describing them
[talk-au] OpenStreetMap in Government
Hi Aussie OSM people! I would like to introduce myself, my name is Kristy Van Putten and I am currently living and working for the Australian Government in Indonesia as a the Spatial Analyst. Over the last 2 years I have been managing the implementation of OSM across Indonesia in partnership with the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team. We have had amazing success, with ~1,000,000 buildings mapped in 2 years and well over 500 people trained. This initiative is based on finding out where people live in order to understand the impact of disasters. We also have the national mapping agency looking into ways to use the OSM data as part of their One Map Policy. I will be heading back to Geoscience Australia at the end of the year and there is some interest in trying to implement similar things in Australia. I have been asked to start thinking about putting a concept together, before I start formulating this concept I would be keen to draw on the Australian OSM community knowledge, and see what has already been tried, or thought of and how we can use this to shape a general concept for discussion. On a personal note I would be interested in hearing more about the OSM Australia activities, and people current goals with OSM. I have read about the Bicentennial National Trail team, has anyone thought of 4WD trails in OSM? I would also be keen to find out if there are any Ozzy teaching OSM to schools or scout groups etc? Looking forward to talking to you all Cheers -- *Kristy Van Putten* Spatial Analyst, Data Manager Australia-Indonesia Facility Disaster Reduction** Mb: +62 811 987 573 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
