Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:02:55 +1000 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Liz wrote: The version is v2.10pre4 how do i get it to use OSM? after a lot of fiddling, and breaking the modem software further, i got the pre7svn installed i managed to download some osm maps but it isn't 'user friendly' i've tried downloading maps at varied scales but not been able to switch between them afterwards Hi Liz, You don't need to download the map tiles (and yes I agree it is not user friendly), if you install from svn as per here: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gpsdrive/index.php?title=8.04_manual It then runs mapnik to generate the maps on the fly. As for fitting on the screen try starting with the command: gpsdrive -M car This puts it into full screen mode as per here: http://www.4x4falcon.com/screenshots/gpsdrive_car_mode_mapnik.jpg -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] another use for a GPS
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/21/2632220.htm The globe may be warming at present, and has since the last major ice age, however what no one can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, and they never mention so the poor sheeple think it may actually be caused by something else, like ummm the sun maybe :) Despite the claims in the media the earth has been cooling or at least stable tempreture wise since 2003, yet CO2 is still rising, ummm maybe I'm missing something here? :) I agree we should be pushing towards reduction in pollution in general since that's beneficial to us human beings, however the planet will still be doing just fine after we've all been wiped What really gets to me is all the lies, usually for our own good, it's no longer science but has become the church of climatology, where anyone that dare speaks out of place is proverbially stoned to death. Our society has risen on the back of cheap and abundance energy, and now we're being told to reduce reduce reduce for the good of the planet or switch to seriously inferior forms of energy production that are unreliable and peak production never over laps with peak demand, and storage technologies are horribly in efficient or simply unfeasible on a large enough scale. Pretty sure now would be a good time to exit stage left! *ducks and runs* ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: You don't need to download the map tiles (and yes I agree it is not user friendly), if you install from svn as per here: I'll try and build a i386 deb file from this, apart from lack of deb file what else needs attending to to make it more user friendly? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: --- On Tue, 21/7/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: You don't need to download the map tiles (and yes I agree it is not user friendly), if you install from svn as per here: I'll try and build a i386 deb file from this, apart from lack of deb file what else needs attending to to make it more user friendly? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au i installed from deb following http://www.gpsdrive.de/development/debian.shtml and got 2.10svn2451 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] another use for a GPS
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: Pretty sure now would be a good time to exit stage left! *ducks and runs* I think the problem lies with the economists who think that the only state that is good is growth in GDP. If we didn't forever strive for increase in GDP we might be much better off exit stage right ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] another use for a GPS
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I think the problem lies with the economists who think that the only state that is good is growth in GDP. Well the population of the earth is growing, along side the complete mismanagement of all the resources on earth, including human, and it's a real shame things are going to get a lot worst before they'll get better. There usually is a tipping point at an all time low where the peasants finally say they've had enough and rise up and revolt against the king! If we didn't forever strive for increase in GDP we might be much better off Maybe we can drop the economists next to the lawyers at the bottom of some ocean? exit stage right Hey! That's my exit strategy!... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: i installed from deb following http://www.gpsdrive.de/development/debian.shtml and got 2.10svn2451 Even better, I assumed there weren't any based on what Ross said in a previous email. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
H, gpsdrive isn't very friendly for small systems... 0 upgraded, 89 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 99.4MB of archives. After this operation, 269MB of additional disk space will be used. Not really wanting to dig into why there is so many dependencies, but ... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: H, gpsdrive isn't very friendly for small systems... 0 upgraded, 89 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 99.4MB of archives. After this operation, 269MB of additional disk space will be used. Not really wanting to dig into why there is so many dependencies, but ... database I'm taking mine off it didn't get a fair trial but i'm already adjusted to tangogps and navit -- You are the only person to ever get this message. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: database I'm taking mine off it didn't get a fair trial but i'm already adjusted to tangogps and navit apt-get autoremove then removed 26.8MB which on the little machine is a luxury that cannot be afforded ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] another use for a GPS
Economists who insist on positive growth need to sit through a lecture on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY (~1 hr lecture in several parts. It is an excellent introduction to exponential growth in a constrained environment). - Original Message - From: Liz ed...@billiau.net Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:19 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au] another use for a GPS To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: Pretty sure now would be a good time to exit stage left! *ducks and runs* I think the problem lies with the economists who think that the only state that is good is growth in GDP. If we didn't forever strive for increase in GDP we might be much better off exit stage right ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] another use for a GPS
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: It is fairly well established within the scientific community that there is a fight between CO2 keeping IR within the Earth's atmosphere and aerosol (in a climate science context this means particles such as smoke, rubber dust, clouds, sulphur dioxide etc) reducing solar insolation. There has also been no real sun spots since December 2007, sunspots indicate how active the sun is, and there is speculation that the sun started to decline in output since 2003/2004 as it went toward the end of the last sun spot cycle. There was a largish blemish the other week but there is uncertainty if this is really the start of the next cycle or not, as the sun's output keeps dropping. This explains why there was a slight cooling trend within the 70's as the bulk of the industrialised world had very poor emission control schemes. Once pollution control (mostly in the form of sulphur dioxide scrubbers in coal power stations) became more widespread the Earth's temperature began to rise again. There also seems to be about a 20 year cycle of heating and cooling, which coincides with 2 sunspot cycles. Due to this, I would not be surprised if the current warming trend has been slowed due to increased aerosol emissions from developing industrial nations such as China and India. There is something like 26 factors that effect the earths climate, the sun is the major contributor funnily enough :) But there is also geothermal inputs too. The general public skepticism towards climate change probably has it's roots in the media. Essentially the media has a tenancy to give equal air time to for and against arguments, despite 84% of scientists believing that climate change is a result of human activity (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090710/sc_nm/us_science_survey_1). Science by virtue should be skeptical of all claims until there is hard evidence that proves things one way or another, and one of the biggest problems I have with the current debate is errors in existing data. Weather stations are used to tell you what the weather is like near you, however they don't always make good climate stations, and the majority of data is probably corrupted by numerous factors, from things like people in Russia prior to 1990 making the temp seem colder to get more rations, and now things being more automated don't report the temperature as cold. Parking jets near weather stations don't help either: http://www.surfacestations.org/images/lovelock_mig480.jpg Putting stations in the middle of Melbourne's CBD which shows a great increase in temp over time compared to one of the nearby airports. http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2248 I can keep going if you want :) A 2005 study (Hansen et al, 2005) showed that the Yup, he's the reverend of the church of climatology, it took people years and years to get him to release both his data and methods to reproduce and check his work, a lot of researchers are failing to release all their information especially in a timely fashion so people can peer review. This isn't science. Anyway, I encourage you to do your own research as that would be far more convincing that the 2nd hand opinion of some random figure on the Internet. An excellent starting Yup I do look into this a little more than I probably should, raises my ire at time at how shoddy some of these researchers try and pass off junk science as actual science. I subscribe to this blog: http://wattsupwiththat.com Which is a little less maths intensive then this blog: http://www.climateaudit.org Both are extremely informative into the shannigans that are being pulled, there is very little peer review currently going on in this space, and in fact there was a report some time ago on slashdot.org about how little peer review was being conducted in general and that at least 10% of papers were recanted by their authors. Lastly, the extreme emotion people can feel over this issue is arrises when someone becomes convinced of climate change and educated in its ramifications. These people can see disaster awaiting humanity and want to do everything in their power to avert it. Certainly if you saw a child run in front of a car while chasing a ball you would do everything within your power to stop them. I'm glad you brought this up, earlier this week this was as a quote of the week: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/20/quote-of-the-week-15/ From the Atlantic: An Interview With Nobel Prize-winning economist Thomas Schelling, Part Two – Conor Clarke #3 But I tend to be rather pessimistic. I sometimes wish that we could have, over the next five or ten years, a lot of horrid things happening — you know, like tornadoes in the Midwest and so forth — that would get people very concerned about climate change. But I don’t think that’s going to happen. ___ Talk-au mailing
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
When pgsql needs to be installed and all the rest of the mapnik stuff I'm starting to get concerned that there won't be enough space on my eeePC to load the data for gpsdrive. I don't want to buy a 32G sd card just to have mapping. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: I'm taking mine off it didn't get a fair trial but i'm already adjusted to tangogps and navit yea when I saw the need for pgsql I'm borking too, too complicated and I don't see enough benefit over navit to be honest, it was much much easier to get up and running. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: I'm taking mine off it didn't get a fair trial but i'm already adjusted to tangogps and navit yea when I saw the need for pgsql I'm borking too, too complicated and I don't see enough benefit over navit to be honest, it was much much easier to get up and running. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: apt-get autoremove then removed 26.8MB which on the little machine is a luxury that cannot be afforded Try debfoster/deborphan... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: When pgsql needs to be installed and all the rest of the mapnik stuff I'm starting to get concerned that there won't be enough space on my eeePC to load the data for gpsdrive. I don't want to buy a 32G sd card just to have mapping. and after all that putting on and putting off now the SD card and USB sticks don't get automounted. i can see that this mess is big enough to warrant a reinstall to lenny. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: I'm planning to send the emails about the time the faculty returns from summer vacations and prepares for the new school year in August. I will have the added incentive that a nearby university has gone viral and completely mapped out the campus and town in detail. In the mean time I've located a primary school teacher who's shown some interest in doing mapping with her class. The school is in the middle of no where and there is very little mapped so it'll be interesting to see how far they get. http://osm.org/go/s2QkW9f2-- ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: The school is in the middle of no where and there is very little mapped so it'll be interesting to see how far they get. 'remote' is agreed ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: 'remote' is agreed Ya know it's a remote place when small towns have 3 run ways :) Mind you the town is surrounded by open cut gold mines apparently so that might have something to do with it too :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: That's one of the problems with the current deb packages. Looks like I'm going to have to get a 701 and try it out to see what these 89 packages are. I installed Lenny Debian, so getting a 701 probably won't help in that respect, apart from postgres it downloaded the openjava JRE even though I already had the sun jre installed, JOSM doesn't work at all with the open JRE that openoffice pulled down. In any case I'll email you the list off packages off list. There are also capabilities which are builtin which really have no use to 95% of users eg, friendsd, kismet. I'd be happy to drop those and have done so in my own system. Really the program needs to be more modularised so that only those parts required by the user are added. That does seem a tad strange, since anyone using debian can easily install kismet and what not if they want it. The deb packages also try to install all osm icons whereas we do not need the Japanese icons other than in Japan, and now many people change their icon style once setup. It should only install a basic package and then the user can install others if they want to. That kind of thinking goes for OSM stuff in general, things like the validation plugin for example, and keepright checks. I've got 4.1Gb total used out of 16Gb. I know the 701 only has 4Gb but my install includes wine with Champainge The 701SD comes in an 8G model too, I am some what paranoid when it comes to putting sensitive info on devices and computers so I end up encrypting most of it most of the time, in this case the OS is on an unencrypted partition and /home is encrypted. Flight Planner 500Mb and about 2Gb of music. So there should be more than enough room to install on a small machine. I'm concerned about the use of pgsql/postgis as the database backend, since all of Australia/NZ bbox is about 1.6G of data normally, where as navit ends up using a 50M file for the same thing. I've been seriously considering branching of from the current development and making a lighter package but it all comes down to available time. Know the feeling. I know the others like navit are easy to install etc but can you use a digital topo map with them? What happens when you run out of osm coverage? I haven't tested it, but it seems to have GPX logging as an option, the UI isn't the best so it's a bit quirky. Also pgsql is very low in overhead and no different to mysql and was selected because it was the database engine used by osm. That's fine if you have multiple users accessing a database, but I don't think it's a sensible idea when it comes to single user satnav type systems. I can see how this might have seemed like a good idea at some point, but it's really going to dog it since you have to be some what equipped in running and maintaining a full relational database. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: I know the others like navit are easy to install etc but can you use a digital topo map with them? What happens when you run out of osm coverage? Sorry missed this bit, I don't think they do image overlays, I could be wrong, but most satnav users only care about street maps + routing, topo info is more for people hiking up mountains. Different goals I guess. When you run out of OSM data you start making your own :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Russia to Tax Foreign GPS Hardware 25%
It looks like Russia is serious about it's GPS service and seems to be encouraging commerical adoption via a tax on imported GPSr that don't support GLONASS, devices that combine GLONASS + GPS are exempt. http://vector1media.com/vectorone/?p=3247 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote: I know the others like navit are easy to install etc but can you use a digital topo map with them? What happens when you run out of osm coverage? to use a digital topo map with navit you would build it into the garmin format img file and then use that tangogps doesn't have the choice of adding topo but on the other hand you can update a few tiles at a time (it took me ages to figure it out, but its possible.) so if the modem is working and i have phone coverage i get more tiles on the road with GPRS navit - you put all of australia on at once. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Single road, 2 speed limits...
A section of the Bruce highway just north of Gympie has 2 different speed limits depending what direction you are traveling. While I guess this could be solved as 2 single lanes is there a more elegant solution? http://osm.org/go/ueTQy4AfL- When going south you hit an 80 sign 300-500m before the school signs, however when going north you hit a 90 sign as you leave the school zone, I'm pretty sure I've come across other dual speed zones on the same piece of road depending on the direction of travel, but they're rare. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
