[talk-au] Nambour Mapping Party

2009-08-18 Thread Liz
There has been great work here related in Ash Kyd's diary.
I've had a quiet whisper that someone in Sydney wishes a mapping party be 
organised - well you've got a lot to aim for now!
I live about 600km from Sydney so am not available to organise a mapping party 
in Sydney.

But next time I have to visit Wollongong we could have some sort of a Gong 
meetup.

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Re: [talk-au] Nambour Mapping Party

2009-08-18 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 18/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:

 I've had a quiet whisper that someone in Sydney wishes a
 mapping party be 

I should do a write up on the wiki on how I organised the Nambour mapping 
party, it technically would be possible for anyone to organise a mapping party 
anywhere, attending them is a different matter :)

However it really didn't take much effort, you could skip a few things like 
mail outs to other groups, I think it might be better to approach these groups 
about a talk then being invited to a mapping party.

You also don't need to get a banner printed.

All you really need is some quiet space, maybe with internet but most last 
weekend seemed to have internet access via their phones.

You then just need to set up a wiki page with the relevant details, where/when 
etc, mail to this list and possibly adding a social event to the geocaching.com 
site too.

Once the server I'm doing maps on is back up and running I plan to have some 
method for people to add events to the events calendar.

That's about it, to be most effective these events nearly need to be regular, 
that way people will know roughly when an event is and so on.

David Dean is planning to hold these events the third Friday/Saturday of each 
month.


  

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Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

2009-08-18 Thread BlueMM


John Smith-129 wrote:
 
 --- On Mon, 17/8/09, BlueMM bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 But my point was if they *are* consistent (same shield design), why
 specify state?
 
 Consistent to what?
 
 Some states have gone to a alphanumeric system, some use the old NH
 shields and those with the alphanumeric system have different shields
 between states.
 
 http://www.routemarkers.com/Oceania/
 
That website appears inaccurate. It says the state route marker is no longer
used in Vic, but there is a route with that marker a block away from me
right now. Also, the M1/7 example appears wrong, AFAIK, the one used in VIC
is more like the NSW one, without the outer green border. It has slightly
rounded inner green square  an outer white border (also rounded).
I don't think the outer green border is worth showing a different shield,
just make them all the same.

Maybe it's worth creating a Australian rendering page on the wiki where we
can collect all the different route signs. With the addr: specifier, there's
no reason why we can't get the Australian/state specific shields into the
main OSM map (mapnik).


John Smith-129 wrote:
 
 I don't know if any are consistent right around Australia, but I suggest
 we
 mention drop the state for know national shields.
 
 From what I've seen there is no consistency, even when they change to the
 alphanumeric system they still differ in the shields they use :)
 
Is the tiny differences worth it? I don't think so

John Smith-129 wrote:
 
 I can think of a potentially hundreds of routes which are for eg. C123
 and called TownA-TownB Road.
 It could be that is far more prevalent that needing the separate ref/name
 relations. Just trying to keep it simple, anyone else got ideas/opinions?
 
 I've only been talking about highways, not roads, I haven't considered
 what to do about roads, same thing as streets I suppose.
 
That seems contrary to the new changes to the Australian Tagging Guidelines
regarding M/A/B/C Alphanumeric routes (ie. this proposal). It seems to me to
apply to all road routes. Most of the BC rural roads I know in Victoria are
not highways.
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Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

2009-08-18 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, BlueMM wrote:
 That website appears inaccurate. It says the state route marker is no
 longer used in Vic, but there is a route with that marker a block away from
 me right now. Also, the M1/7 example appears wrong, AFAIK, the one used in
 VIC is more like the NSW one, without the outer green border. It has
 slightly rounded inner green square  an outer white border (also rounded).
 I don't think the outer green border is worth showing a different shield,
 just make them all the same.

 Maybe it's worth creating a Australian rendering page on the wiki where we
 can collect all the different route signs. With the addr: specifier,
 there's no reason why we can't get the Australian/state specific shields
 into the main OSM map (mapnik).

http://www.ozroads.com.au/
is a better site, well photodocumented with dates for each photo


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[talk-au] Minor Highways

2009-08-18 Thread John Smith
I couldn't find the email Liz wrote about it, but I've just created a ref 
relation for the Gwydir Highway, as a result I can't see a good reason for 2 
relations in this case.

In the case of the A1 in QLD that's a diff matter as the A1 is more than just 
one highway.

Can anyone think of a good reason for multiple relations on minor highways?


  

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Re: [talk-au] maps.bigtincan.com

2009-08-18 Thread John Smith
The server is currently en route to the data centre and will be back up 
shortly, it took longer than expected for this to happen due to things outside 
our control.


  

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Re: [talk-au] maps.bigtincan.com

2009-08-18 Thread John Smith
Server is now back up and running, and instead of being in a virtual it is now 
on the server itself, quad core xeon with 4G of ram and scsi 10k hdd's, so it 
should be a tad faster :)

Because it was offline for a few days it's still catching up with OSM change 
files and is about 14 or so hours out of date still, but it should be up to 
date within a few hours give or take.


  

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Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

2009-08-18 Thread John Smith
I'm going to be adding Tourist Route Shields to the map shortly but in the 
process of looking for a graphic I came across this page on wikipedia:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Route_shields_of_Australia

It lists shields for a number of things like Alt National Route, and on one of 
the other wiki pages it uses 'D' routes to mean Detour however these routes 
aren't in the same category as MABC.

Does anyone think this is a good idea?

Use network=D for D classified roads, if they exist.
Use network=detour for NSW classified detour routes
Use network=alt_NR for Alternate NR routes


  

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[talk-au] Bruce Highway... A1 only or A1+M1 ?

2009-08-18 Thread John Smith
Can anyone from Brisbane confirm this.

As far as I can tell the Bruce Highway which starts just after the Gateway 
Motorway ends north of Brisbane and is only tagged A1, however both wikipedia 
and ozroads think the Bruce Highway is signed as M1 as far north as Cooroy.

All the signs on the dual carriage way going south of Cooroy and north of the 
Nambour connection road have had a cut out riverted over the old shields and 
now only have A1, but I don't go to Brisbane much/at all so I can't remember 
what they are south of Nambour.


  

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Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

2009-08-18 Thread b . schulz . 10
D roads certainly do
exist, however at times the signs are covered over/folded up etc. The
one I know for certain is a Pacific Highway detour which heads West
from Nabiac and goes up to Krambach: http://osm.org/go/uaQzXe_

After that I don't know where it goes. There's a D sign at this intersection: 
http://osm.org/go/uaQzVoPL
but I've not followed it after that. I guess it goes to Gloucester and
follows the Buckets Way back to the Pacific Highway ~30km North of
Raymond Terrace.

The D sign linked to above was only installed
after a fatal accident occured on the Pacific Highway at Buladelah
which resulted in all traffic being diverted at Nabiac (and a large
number of cars passing by our property on Wallanbah Road requiring
directions). Prior to that accident ~2 years ago I don't think there
was an official detour route, so they may only be temporary and not
worth mapping.

For anybody who's interested the D route sign in question is visible in Google 
Street View here: 
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8ll=-32.085556,152.322092spn=0,359.92301z=14layer=ccbll=-32.085453,152.32208panoid=u93FikimFDFYopOTvwIqEgcbp=12,212.72,,0,12.53

-Brent

- Original Message -
From: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:24 pm
Subject: Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came 
across this
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org

 I'm going to be adding Tourist Route Shields to the map shortly 
 but in the process of looking for a graphic I came across this 
 page on wikipedia:
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Route_shields_of_Australia
 
 It lists shields for a number of things like Alt National Route, 
 and on one of the other wiki pages it uses 'D' routes to mean 
 Detour however these routes aren't in the same category as MABC.
 
 Does anyone think this is a good idea?
 
 Use network=D for D classified roads, if they exist.
 Use network=detour for NSW classified detour routes
 Use network=alt_NR for Alternate NR routes
 
 
   
 
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