[talk-au] Trolls
David Murn stated If anyone is interested, I can provide the simple C code I used to generate these numbers and/or a list of usernames/uids that are involved. Well. you'd be a right piece of work then. Right, get Nearmap to sue every OSMer in sight, that'd be real clever of them. Hang on.. maybe you were just tyring to outdo the other two aus-trolls in dispiciality inh wich case, congratulations... I believe that you have just taken a narrow lead. Nick PS - tomorrow I will find out all the ways in Canberra that I had to fix using nearmap, and replace them using compliant Bing imagery ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Trolls
On 30 April 2011 20:09, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: PS - tomorrow I will find out all the ways in Canberra that I had to fix using nearmap, and replace them using compliant Bing imagery So you wiped out perfectly good map data for sub-standard data? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Trolls
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: PS - tomorrow I will find out all the ways in Canberra that I had to fix using nearmap, and replace them using compliant Bing imagery Last time I checked the licences, NearMap says that information derived from their images may (and may only) be released under CC-BY-SA; Bing on the other hand only say that we can view their imagery in an OSM editor. They do not explicitly disclaim any copyright on derived works (like tracing). Sure they say Any updates you make to the OpenStreetMap map via the Application (even if not published to third parties) must be contributed back to openstreetmaps.org.* but this says nothing about deriving information from the actual imagery, merely a user making regular submissions to OSM. Now Microsoft may think that tracing isn't a derived work and as such you can trace copyrighted imagery without a license, but unless they actually state this, and have the rights to the imagery, I don't think we should allow any Bing tracing in OSM. *btw, this isn't in their http://www.microsoft.com/maps/product/terms.html only in this special unverified http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bing_license.pdf ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Trolls
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 20:09 +1000, Nick Hocking wrote: David Murn stated If anyone is interested, I can provide the simple C code I used to generate these numbers and/or a list of usernames/uids that are involved. Well. you'd be a right piece of work then. Right, get Nearmap to sue every OSMer in sight, that'd be real clever of them. Hang on.. maybe you were just tyring to outdo the other two aus-trolls in dispiciality inh wich case, congratulations... I believe that you have just taken a narrow lead. Im not sure what youre suggesting. NearMap has no interest in suing anyone, least of all OSM users since OSM is still under a compatible licence. What I was 'trying to do' was to point out that there needs to be a lot more care taken when asking users to relicence the data, and that the users whos names I could list should be taken off the list of those accepting the ODbL and CTs. PS - tomorrow I will find out all the ways in Canberra that I had to fix using nearmap, and replace them using compliant Bing imagery Make sure you also survey those roads then so you can replace the tags you delete while replacing the ways. If you delete a road which is tagged as maxspeed=60 and re-trace it from bing, youd better go survey it in person and re-add all the data youre removing, otherwise YOU are the one causing problems to the project. At the very least, can I ask that if youre going to trace from bing, that you keep an eye on the imagery alignment as in some parts of Canberra I have found the imagery to be upto 100m offset. One might almost consider your efforts vandalism, and a complete waste of time and effort when you could be tracing areas that arent mapped, and if you really want to replace all the work others have done, then at least wait until it has been removed (if it is removed) in future. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
