Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Mass revert now??

2012-01-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote:
 This is a false dichotomy. There is at least one more perspective: you
 (meaning OSMF and OSM contributors) suck it up and deal with the
 consequences of your actions. What's happening now was predicted way
 back, and I know I told you so doesn't actually help anybody, but it
 does mean it's unreasonable for you to act all surprised and offended
 about what's going on.

That's the point. I'm not surprised, I'm not offended. I believe the
disgruntled have made their point, and I definitely supported them
while the debate was active. Now that it's over, and a done deal, I
think it would be much better for them to now (begrudingly,
reluctantly, ...) tick the damn box and move on. I wouldn't even be
surprised or particularly offended if they also chose to have nothing
further to do with this community. But to put in thousands of hours of
work to create free map data that can be used by anyone, and then to
finish up having contributed nothing strikes me as a spectacularly
selfish act of self-immolation.

Steve

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Re: [talk-au] Splitter decliners

2012-01-10 Thread Nick Hocking
Mike wrote

I also want to check what happens when
an accepting user has subsequently made changes over the top.


Yes Mike this is the real problem. If we just revert a decliner edit
then all acceptor edits after that will go up in smoke. Whereas I
believe that in the licence change the DWG will be able to
(for a lot of cases) get rid of decliner edits) without affecting
subsequent acceptor ones.


I'm looking into the maxspeed edit problem (with expert help)
and intend to sort out the boundary issues to some extent
(see other post). Apart from that I'm up to my eyeballs in
remapping various areas around Australia and overseas
so as usual I'll ask a lot of questions but have few answers :-(

Once the licence change is complete and we have put back
all our data, I intend to get heavily into writing programs to
use OSM data.  (The first program will be for my phone
-to warn me when I'm about to be attacked by a magpie on my
new (1st in 35 years) push bike).

I have a few questions about tempory hazard data in OSM but
that'd better wait for another day!

Nick
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[talk-au] Power lines and footpaths

2012-01-10 Thread Nick Hocking
Hi all,

Whilst cleaning up Canberra I have been very careful to remap everything
that I have deleted either from my own survey or Bing or both.

I also reconnect up everything - though I'm sure keep right will prove
me wrong in 10's of cases.

However some areas of Canberra are so well endowed with decliner
footpaths and power lines that after one night of remapping these from
Bing, I'm of the opinion that in order to save the road structures from
damage, I am going to have to just delete decliner footpaths and power
lines and map them later in the year (from Bing).

I won't delete any that have joint cycle info and any that have bridge
(or tunnel) implications, I will remap properly.

Does anyone have a problem with this?

Warning: answering yes may be seen as an offer to help me remap
Canberra :-)
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Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Mass revert now??

2012-01-10 Thread Sam Couter
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's the point. I'm not surprised, I'm not offended. I believe the
 disgruntled have made their point, and I definitely supported them
 while the debate was active. Now that it's over, and a done deal, I
 think it would be much better for them to now (begrudingly,
 reluctantly, ...) tick the damn box and move on.

As I said before, it's just not that simple.

 But to put in thousands of hours of
 work to create free map data that can be used by anyone, and then to
 finish up having contributed nothing strikes me as a spectacularly
 selfish act of self-immolation.

Is it selfish of Google or Nearmap to not allow use of their data under
the ODbL and CTs?
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Sam Couter |  mailto:s...@couter.id.au
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[talk-au] OSM boosted by google paywall for maps

2012-01-10 Thread John Henderson

See article for details:

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/01/openstreetmap-google/all/1

John

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