Re: [talk-au] Blocks of land - residential housing

2012-09-22 Thread Ben Johnson
Just on this, can someone please explain why if I search 45 Wharf Street
Forster,  the result I get back is 45, Wharf Street, Forster Keys,
Forster, 2428, 
Australiahttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=152.50084899902minlat=-32.190236816406maxlon=152.52086425781maxlat=-32.170233001709

Where does it get Forster Keys from?  That's an adjacent suburb to the
south.



On 22 September 2012 11:00, Ben Johnson tangarar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 For fast numbering, you might want to check out the technique I tried for
 Wharf Street, Forster NSW.

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-32.18045lon=152.51021zoom=17layers=M

 This uses the address interpolation technique. I wasn't sure at the time
 if I'd done it the right

way because nomonatim hadn't been getting updated, but since then it has...
 and I can tell you it works a treat! If you search for any valid number on
 Wharf Street Forster it will point you there with surprising accuracy.

 Just draw a parallel way from corner to corner with start/end numbers and
 tell it whether odd or even. Very nice way to quickly make the map
 massively more useable. Search the wiki for more details.

 BJ




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 On 21/09/2012, at 20:41, Leathal leatha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 I was just wondering what the tagging standard is for residential housing
 in
 suburbs?

 I can't find anything definitive, and most of the common methods such as
 landuse=residential is set aside for large scale areas (which is correct
 IMO).

 So, I was just wondering if there is some kind of standard that everyone
 is
 using? Or if anyone is using at all?

 I just don't like this method of numbers only:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-19.295319lon=146.71811zoom=18layers=M

 Any help appreciated. :)

 Leathal.


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Re: [talk-au] Blocks of land - residential housing

2012-09-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
On 21/09/12 20:41, Leathal wrote:
 Hi 
 
 I was just wondering what the tagging standard is for residential housing in 
 suburbs?
 
 I can't find anything definitive, and most of the common methods such as 
 landuse=residential is set aside for large scale areas (which is correct IMO).

I ensure the residential area doesn't cross any roads. ie. just the
block. eg.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.062412lon=151.1523zoom=18layers=M

I do this because it is more accurate. The road isn't residential and so
shouldn't be covered by the area.

It is a lot simpler that way, because it is very easy to exclude the
corner shop, which is landuse=retail, or the park on the corner.

Tracing the building, or even just a center point node, you can add the
type of building as apartment, house, cabin etc.



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Re: [talk-au] National borders

2012-09-22 Thread Michael Krämer

Hi Paul,

Am 22.09.2012 02:32, schrieb Paul HAYDON:

BTW, won't the bays be self closing during buffer creation (if the
mouth is less than the offset)?


Not really, depending on the size you still get a kind of kink in the 
border where cutting short the bay would otherwise give a straight 
segment. I guess it's a bit like in the story The princess and the pea ;-)


Michael


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Re: [talk-au] National borders

2012-09-22 Thread Michael Krämer

Hi,

Am 21.09.2012 23:26, schrieb Ian Sergeant:

1. Document accurately the process you have used
Well, this part is done: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_national_border



2. Note the activity required to increase the accuracy (reefs, bay closure)

I've already added some notes on the page.


3. Upload the borders currently there (things aren't working properly
right now).

This would be one of the next steps if we agree on this process.


4. Work to increase the accuracy.
5. Update the borders accordingly.


This sound pretty good to me.

Michael

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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 63, Issue 28

2012-09-22 Thread Paul HAYDON

Hey Ben, Nice example.  I reckon it's worth mentioning the numbers at Blower's 
Lane (although on the opposite side of the street) - undoubtedly numbering in 
this fashion will assist with routing.  It's probably been covered in the Wiki, 
and most likely in this forum previously, but worthy of pointing out again, 
nonetheless. Great job! 
Cheers,Paul.

 Hi,
 
 For fast numbering, you might want to check out the technique I tried for 
 Wharf Street, Forster NSW.
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-32.18045lon=152.51021zoom=17layers=M
 
 This uses the address interpolation technique. I wasn't sure at the time if 
 I'd done it the right way because nomonatim hadn't been getting updated, but 
 since then it has... and I can tell you it works a treat! If you search for 
 any valid number on Wharf Street Forster it will point you there with 
 surprising accuracy.
 
 Just draw a parallel way from corner to corner with start/end numbers and 
 tell it whether odd or even. Very nice way to quickly make the map massively 
 more useable. Search the wiki for more details.
 
 BJ
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Re: [talk-au] National borders

2012-09-22 Thread Paul HAYDON

Hi Michael, Nicely documented.  Much of the process (on the OSM side at least) 
is beyond my current experience, but interesting nonetheless.  Thanks for 
sharing. As for the alternative process you mention, would the joining of line 
segments be done in OSM/JOSM/etc, or elsewhere (such as QGIS)?  If the latter, 
then perhaps just process in QGIS as you have to date?  I don't know if it will 
be of any assistance, but here is an article I bookmarked some months back when 
I was joining lines in QGIS to generate ocean polygons for my custom GPS maps 
(it utilises GRASS):http://spatialguru.com/line_to_polygons_grass_in_qgis Hope 
it helps.  Cheers,Paul.
  Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:04:37 +0200
 From: ohr...@gmail.com
 To: inas66+...@gmail.com; talk-au@openstreetmap.org
 CC: cadmana...@live.com.au
 Subject: Re: [talk-au] National borders
 
 Hi,
 
 Am 21.09.2012 23:26, schrieb Ian Sergeant:
  1. Document accurately the process you have used
 Well, this part is done: 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_national_border
 
  2. Note the activity required to increase the accuracy (reefs, bay closure)
 I've already added some notes on the page.
 
  3. Upload the borders currently there (things aren't working properly
  right now).
 This would be one of the next steps if we agree on this process.
 
  4. Work to increase the accuracy.
  5. Update the borders accordingly.
 
 This sound pretty good to me.
 
 Michael
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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 63, Issue 28

2012-09-22 Thread Ben Johnson

Hi Paul,

The interpolation way opposite Blows Lane is split (see break from  
25-27 at level 18). The walkway there is an open footpath between two  
distinct properties, whereas the walkway marked opposite Commonwealth  
Bank is actually an indoor arcade (needs better tagging e.g. covered)  
and hence I did not split the numbering here because the arcade itself  
is a property with its own number.


There's some strangeness with the nominatim search results and the way  
it confuses the town/suburb/village John Henderson is on the right  
track - it's something to do with the Town/Suburb/Village hierarchy. I  
suspect it's a Nominatim issue.  It's probably less noticeable in a  
metropolitan area where everything is a suburb.


BJ




On 23/09/2012, at 11:30 AM, Paul HAYDON wrote:


Hey Ben,

Nice example.  I reckon it's worth mentioning the numbers at  
Blower's Lane (although on the opposite side of the street) -  
undoubtedly numbering in this fashion will assist with routing.   
It's probably been covered in the Wiki, and most likely in this  
forum previously, but worthy of pointing out again, nonetheless.


Great job!


Cheers,
Paul.


 Hi,

 For fast numbering, you might want to check out the technique I  
tried for Wharf Street, Forster NSW.


 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-32.18045lon=152.51021zoom=17layers=M

 This uses the address interpolation technique. I wasn't sure at  
the time if I'd done it the right way because nomonatim hadn't been  
getting updated, but since then it has... and I can tell you it  
works a treat! If you search for any valid number on Wharf Street  
Forster it will point you there with surprising accuracy.


 Just draw a parallel way from corner to corner with start/end  
numbers and tell it whether odd or even. Very nice way to quickly  
make the map massively more useable. Search the wiki for more details.


 BJ
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