Re: [talk-au] Google copying from OSM maps
-Original Message- From: dipie...@gmail.com [mailto:dipie...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013 11:22 AM To: Barker, Nicholas; dban...@internode.on.net Cc: OSM - Talk-au Subject: Re: [talk-au] Google copying from OSM maps On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Barker, Nicholas nbar...@pb.com.au wrote: Ok I've just spotted somethingit appears Google has added a couple of trails onto their bicycling maps layer that only appear on OSM...nowhere else. Namely the trail called Follow Me in Lysterfield Lake Park in Melbourne but probably all the others too.. Is this an issue? Surely you can't demand that once something is mapped (or fixed) in OSM no one else is ever allowed to map (or fix) it. Not at all, it just seemed a bit of a double standard that we are diligent not to copy from other maps and only map what is on the ground...then this appears on Google on their 'cycle track' layer. If they had mapped it from the ground properly then they would know that it is a very difficult mountain bike course with big jumps and drops, not a paved bike path and i doubt they would have used it in the cycle routing. This trail is not mapped anywhere else and is not visible from Google maps so it leads me to the conclusion that they may have lifted it straight from the bike paths layer of OSM. It even copies a couple of 'mistakes' that would be picked up if mapped from the ground. Obviously if we copied from Google then that's bad and illegal and we should be punished with big law suits...if Google copies from OSM well then that's OK as it furthers the mapping cause... Just an observation I made. __ NOTICE: This communication and any attachments (this message) may contain confidential information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized use, disclosure, viewing, copying, alteration, dissemination or distribution of, or reliance on this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, or you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message, delete this message and all copies from your e-mail system and destroy any printed copies. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Google copying from OSM maps
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Barker, Nicholas nbar...@pb.com.au wrote: Not at all, it just seemed a bit of a double standard that we are diligent not to copy from other maps and only map what is on the ground...then this appears on Google on their 'cycle track' layer. If they had mapped it from the ground properly then they would know that it is a very difficult mountain bike course with big jumps and drops, not a paved bike path and i doubt they would have used it in the cycle routing. Just pointing out the obvious here - in case anyone isn't aware. Google now supports crowdsourced mapping with the MapMaker tool, so it's totally possible that either: - a member of the public mapped it legitimately - a member of the public mapped it by copying OSM Obviously if we copied from Google then that's bad and illegal and we should be punished with big law suits...if Google copies from OSM well then that's OK as it furthers the mapping cause... Yeah that's my view - I map with the intention of helping the widest possible range of users. Sometimes I even add stuff to Google Maps directly! It's not everyone's view though, so we do need to respect that. (IMHO much better to spend time mapping than fighting Google though...) Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Google copying from OSM maps
Just pointing out the obvious here - in case anyone isn't aware. Google now supports crowdsourced mapping with the MapMaker tool, so it's totally possible that either: - a member of the public mapped it legitimately - a member of the public mapped it by copying OSM I wasn't aware of that! That probably explains it then :o) __ NOTICE: This communication and any attachments (this message) may contain confidential information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized use, disclosure, viewing, copying, alteration, dissemination or distribution of, or reliance on this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, or you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message, delete this message and all copies from your e-mail system and destroy any printed copies. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
