Re: [talk-au] Roadside rest areas tagged as camp sites

[Warin]

A sample from most of NSW.

167 with tourism=camp_site and name~"Rest Area" , these are mostly 
eastern NSW.


~900 with highway=rest_area

~10 duplicates between the two cases. .

The NSW govt. list is ~1,000.

To Do??
Take the respective 'tourism=camp_site' data to 'highway=rest_area' with 
'caravan=yes'. At this stage I'd not map the possible time constraints 
here. Check these against LPI data.


Check against the NSW gov list for any missing ones, these can be viewed 
in detail with the LPI data .. if present there then they can be mapped 
from the LPI data, possibly only the service road.
Check the NSW gov list for ones with toilets and check against OSM data, 
if missing toilets then check LPI Imagery for a toilet like building and 
map that as a building=yes comment=toilet?


Humm should I check for OSM ones not present on the NSW gov list? And if 
not present .. then what? Look at the LIP data? And if not there .. then 
contact the mapper.


Comments??

(I was expecting more of the camp site tagging.)

On 20-Apr-17 10:38 AM, Warin wrote:

Rest Areas ... a summary so far?

_Best tag_ to use is highway=rest_area as this reflects what they 
actually are.



_'Camping_' is limited in most of these due to the hard surfaces, it 
would be better to use a caravan tag where this is 'on the ground 
truth'. A tag to use under rest area looks to be caravan=yes. 
Personally I would be tempted to use a separate node/way with 
tourism=caravan_site.. following the thinking of one feature one OSM 
element.


'Camping' or 'Caravanning' appears to be limited to a maximum stay of 
~24 hours at least by some (for these areas) 
http://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t60796278/rms-rest-area-clarification/


So this maybe be a usefull tag to include caravan:condition:maxstay=24 
(or caravan_site:condition:maxstay=24).


As this applies to all then it should be rest_area:condition:maxstay=24



_HGV_
Where the rest area is intended for hgv use only then using access 
tags would be best? access=no, hgv=yes looks suitable.



_Rendering_. This is poor for 'Rest Areas' (looks to be showing the 
name only at present) and will be a concern for mappers using the tag. 
Hopefully renders will catch up?


_Numbers_. Probably some ~4,000 of these in Australia. Some of these 
Australian ones are already in OSM, total in OSM world wide is 
~10,000. Changing the present rest areas from 'camp_site' to rest area 
might result in, say, an addition ~2,000 rest areas in OSM? Not a vast 
number .. but any addition helps let the renders know that these 
things exist in some quantity.

Revise estimate down to possibly 300.



Regarding the various gov listings of rest areas .. not certain of 
there legal use for adding data from them to OSM.
Possibly use them for checking OSM data .. where OSM is missing then 
I'd look for web confirmation and the copyright of that confirmation 
... possibly look to imagery for more confirmation.

And possibly survey. However I'm not looking at that at this time.



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Re: [talk-au] Keeping SA roads up to date

[Daniel O'Connor]

Would be good to setup monthly run of https://github.com/q-bits/osm-scripts
but I lack the ability to do it.

It might not detect roundabouts; but will pick out name differences and
unknown roads. We got it down to under 300 at one point, I think.



On 25 Apr 2017 11:31 AM, "Alex Sims"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I “dogfood” OpenStreetMap and use it in my GPS for directions. I was a bit
> surprised when I came across an almost two year old roundabout on a main
> road that wasn’t mapped. I’ve mapped it now at http://www.openstreetmap.
> org/changeset/48106706#map=15/-35.5205/138.6359
>
> This seems to be a problem that, as editors were not picking and mapping
> up this change. Maybe no editors travels this way, but still I was a bit
> embarrassed by the non-editors in the car.
>
> I found a number of data sources with no hint of it such as aerial imagery
> or Strava cycling data. GPS tracks hints at it but I can’t be sure. I did
> find it in the Roads data set on data.sa.gov.au but not on “State
> Maintained Roads”.
>
> As a suggestion, it looks as though we need some sort of comparison
> process for generations of “State Maintained Roads” to identify and
> validate changes. Another solution is to recruit more editors.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> Alex
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