Re: [talk-au] Whereis copyright?

[cleary]

Where is uses OSM now but I think that is a fairly recent development. 

Previously their map was from another source, possibly Here Maps but I'm not 
sure. Use of that data in OSM would not have been appropriate. The fact that 
something was not yet in OSM is evidence that OSM was not the source map.






On Wed, 20 Nov 2019, at 3:11 PM, Warin wrote:
> I have found a contributor who is using 'whereis' as a source. I believe 
> that is a copyright breach?
> 
> Anyone know .. I don't want to go asking them and their web site is not 
> clear to me (must update this softwear!)?
> 
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Are we allowed to use PTV datasets (CC 4.0)?

[Aaron]

Thank you for the information. I've included the original email below, and
I've attached the waiver.

*Original message:*
From: Aaron Fang Shenhao 
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 1:54 am
Subject: Permission to Incorporate PTV's CC BY Data Into OpenStreetMap
To: 

Dear Department of Premier and Cabinet,

Thank you for making Public Transport Victoria’s open data available under
the Creative Commons CC BY 4.0 license at data.vic.gov.au.

I am a volunteer of OpenStreetMap , a
collaborative open project to create a global geodata set freely usable by
anyone on share-alike and attribution terms under the Open Database License
(ODbL) .

We’re very interested in using the data in Public Transport Victoria’s open
data to improve OpenStreetMap. In order to facilitate this, we need to
confirm with you that Public Transport Victoria has no objections.

In particular, there are two issues we would like to clarify.

First, because OpenStreetMap's data comes from thousands of local
volunteers as well as numerous government sources, attribution to all such
sources on an OpenStreetMap-based map or similar visual display is
impossible. Instead, we provide attribution (including original license
information) to major sources like Public Transport Victoria on our
Contributors
page .
OpenStreetMap users are then required to attribute "OpenStreetMap
Contributors" in a collective fashion
 when using any OpenStreetMap
data. CC BY's attribution requirements are relatively general, so we just
need you to confirm that you would consider OpenStreetMap's attribution
method to attribute Public Transport Victoria in a "reasonable manner" in
accordance with Section 3(a)(1) of the CC BY 4.0 license.

Second, the ODbL and CC BY 4.0 have slightly different ways of addressing
digital rights management technologies. The ODbL allows data users to apply
technical protection measures to their own works so long as they also
provide an unrestricted version of the underlying database, including their
own additions ("parallel distribution"). In contrast, CC BY 4.0 can be read
to prohibit any application of technical protection measures to databases
that include CC BY material. This is a relatively minor difference in how
the licenses are drafted, but means that in some cases, users who comply
with ODbL might not comply with CC BY 4.0.

In practice, we have found that parallel distribution is an excellent way
of ensuring open access to data while allowing flexibility in use. Thus, we
ask that, to the extent CC BY 4.0 Section 2(a)(5)(B) prohibits any
downstream restrictions even when parallel distribution is available, you
waive this license restriction as to OSM and its users. This waiver would
have no effect on Public Transport Victoria’s original dataset and only
pertains to the restrictions allowed on combinations of that data with OSM
data.

Thank you for your consideration. If Public Transport Victoria is amenable,
can you please check off the boxes in the attached form and return a signed
version to me?

If you have any questions or would like more information about
OpenStreetMap, please do not hesitate to contact me by e-mail.

Regards,

Aaron Fang Shenhao

Local OSM Representative

http://www.openstreetmap.org

http://localosmgroup.tld

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 4:14 pm, Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

> Unfortunately it is quite common to not hear back. Which email did you
> send to? It's worth sending a reminder email.
>
>
> On Wed., 20 Nov. 2019, 11:58 am Aaron,  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just checking up on this. It's been 2 months since I sent the waiver, is
>> it a normal waiting period, or did I address the wrong person or something?
>> :P
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Aaron.
>>
>> On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 4:39 pm, Sebastian S.  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi and also welcome,
>>> It would be good if you update the wiki once you've sent the waiver
>>> request off.
>>> This helps tracking what's going on.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Seb
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>> On 14 September 2019 10:01:34 pm AEST, Aaron Fang Shenhao <
>>> aaronshenhao2...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Thank you both for the helpful info!

 I'll get onto sending the waiver letter to PTV. Once it comes back I'll
 make sure to update the wiki and report back.

 I've summarised the number of stops and routes in the dataset for
 anyone who is interested.

   Transport Medium   │ No. stops   No. routes
  ╪
   Metropolitan Train │ 222 99
   Metropolitan Tram  │ 167373
   Metropolitan Bus   │ 18241   354
   Regional Train │ 110 206
   Regional Bus   │ 6644356
   Regional Coach │ 859 658
   Night Bus  │ 452

Re: [talk-au] Are we allowed to use PTV datasets (CC 4.0)?

[Andrew Harvey]

Unfortunately it is quite common to not hear back. Which email did you send
to? It's worth sending a reminder email.

On Wed., 20 Nov. 2019, 11:58 am Aaron,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just checking up on this. It's been 2 months since I sent the waiver, is
> it a normal waiting period, or did I address the wrong person or something?
> :P
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron.
>
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 4:39 pm, Sebastian S.  wrote:
>
>> Hi and also welcome,
>> It would be good if you update the wiki once you've sent the waiver
>> request off.
>> This helps tracking what's going on.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Seb
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>> On 14 September 2019 10:01:34 pm AEST, Aaron Fang Shenhao <
>> aaronshenhao2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you both for the helpful info!
>>>
>>> I'll get onto sending the waiver letter to PTV. Once it comes back I'll
>>> make sure to update the wiki and report back.
>>>
>>> I've summarised the number of stops and routes in the dataset for anyone
>>> who is interested.
>>>
>>>   Transport Medium   │ No. stops   No. routes
>>>  ╪
>>>   Metropolitan Train │ 222 99
>>>   Metropolitan Tram  │ 167373
>>>   Metropolitan Bus   │ 18241   354
>>>   Regional Train │ 110 206
>>>   Regional Bus   │ 6644356
>>>   Regional Coach │ 859 658
>>>   Night Bus  │ 452 22
>>>   TeleBus│ 100 8
>>>   Interstate │ 11  11
>>>   SkyBus │ 5   2
>>>
>>> For completeness, here's the summary from OSM using the tags 
>>> railway=station, railway=tram_stop and highway=bus_stop inside the area 
>>> ISO3166-2=AU-VIC.
>>>
>>>   Transport Medium │ No. stops   No. routes
>>>  ══╪
>>>   Train│ 442 38
>>>   Tram │ 157091
>>>   Bus  │ 4793716
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Andrew Harvey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 23:29, Aaron Fang Shenhao <
 aaronshenhao2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> This is my first time using the mailing list.
>

 Welcome!


> I’ve noticed that PTV’s (Public Transport Victoria) datasets (
> https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/footer/data-and-reporting/datasets/) all
> fall under Creative Commons International 4.0, which requires explicit
> permission to be used according to OSM’s blog. I’ve looked at the wiki and
> can’t find any of these specific datasets in the list approved for use.
>

 Graeme pointed to the catalogue on the wiki of waiver status. I missed
 PTV when doing the initial round, so feel free to add this to the wiki
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue.


> Has anyone asked for permission to use these datasets before? I
> downloaded the GTFS dataset for a programming project, and it seems
> amazing: we could add all the stops and connect all the routes for all
> modes of transport in VIC just from this dataset?
>

 I haven't approached PTV about this, and since it's not listed on the
 wiki, I'd say go ahead and put together the waiver letter and send it off.
 The metadata records have a contact email you can use. If you do send off a
 waiver request please update the status and date you sent it to the wiki
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue, this
 really helps the rest of the community see what's going on.

 There'd still be a fair bit of manual work involved in an import to
 avoid duplicates and to integrate with what's already in OSM, but with a
 solid plan and engaging with this mailing list and local mappers with the
 plan and execution, an import could be a good thing to do.

 On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 at 12:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
 wrote:

> I see there is reference to
> https://www2.delwp.vic.gov.au/maps/spatial-data/victorian-spatial-data#Vicmap_Transport-11
>  being
> OK but that doesn't appear to be the same thing?
>

 Unfortunately not, VicMap Transport only has airports, roads and
 railway lines. The PTV data has bus stops and a few other datasets.

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Re: [talk-au] Are we allowed to use PTV datasets (CC 4.0)?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 08:58, Aaron  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just checking up on this. It's been 2 months since I sent the waiver, is
> it a normal waiting period, or did I address the wrong person or something?
>

Anythings possible, Aaron, or they just don't know what to do with it? :-)

Yep, I'd follow 'em up - not too sure how though?

Good luck!

  Thanks

Graeme

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Re: [talk-au] Whereis copyright?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

WhereIs belongs to Sensis  https://www.sensis.com.au/, but I can't see any
mention on either site of a CC or any other licence except (c) Sensis.

Strangely enough, though, the WhereIs map uses OSM!

Thanks

Graeme


On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 14:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have found a contributor who is using 'whereis' as a source. I believe
> that is a copyright breach?
>
> Anyone know .. I don't want to go asking them and their web site is not
> clear to me (must update this softwear!)?
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Whereis copyright?

[Ben Kelley]

At first I thought yes, but wheres.com (Sensis/Telstra) uses OSM, so I 
guess it depends on what data they used.


 - Ben.


On 20/11/19 15:11, Warin wrote:
I have found a contributor who is using 'whereis' as a source. I 
believe that is a copyright breach?


Anyone know .. I don't want to go asking them and their web site is 
not clear to me (must update this softwear!)?




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[talk-au] Whereis copyright?

[Warin]

I have found a contributor who is using 'whereis' as a source. I believe 
that is a copyright breach?


Anyone know .. I don't want to go asking them and their web site is not 
clear to me (must update this softwear!)?




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Re: [talk-au] Are we allowed to use PTV datasets (CC 4.0)?

[Aaron]

Hi,

Just checking up on this. It's been 2 months since I sent the waiver, is it
a normal waiting period, or did I address the wrong person or something? :P

Thanks,
Aaron.

On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 4:39 pm, Sebastian S.  wrote:

> Hi and also welcome,
> It would be good if you update the wiki once you've sent the waiver
> request off.
> This helps tracking what's going on.
>
> Cheers,
> Seb
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> On 14 September 2019 10:01:34 pm AEST, Aaron Fang Shenhao <
> aaronshenhao2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you both for the helpful info!
>>
>> I'll get onto sending the waiver letter to PTV. Once it comes back I'll
>> make sure to update the wiki and report back.
>>
>> I've summarised the number of stops and routes in the dataset for anyone
>> who is interested.
>>
>>   Transport Medium   │ No. stops   No. routes
>>  ╪
>>   Metropolitan Train │ 222 99
>>   Metropolitan Tram  │ 167373
>>   Metropolitan Bus   │ 18241   354
>>   Regional Train │ 110 206
>>   Regional Bus   │ 6644356
>>   Regional Coach │ 859 658
>>   Night Bus  │ 452 22
>>   TeleBus│ 100 8
>>   Interstate │ 11  11
>>   SkyBus │ 5   2
>>
>> For completeness, here's the summary from OSM using the tags 
>> railway=station, railway=tram_stop and highway=bus_stop inside the area 
>> ISO3166-2=AU-VIC.
>>
>>   Transport Medium │ No. stops   No. routes
>>  ══╪
>>   Train│ 442 38
>>   Tram │ 157091
>>   Bus  │ 4793716
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Andrew Harvey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 23:29, Aaron Fang Shenhao <
>>> aaronshenhao2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone,

 This is my first time using the mailing list.

>>>
>>> Welcome!
>>>
>>>
 I’ve noticed that PTV’s (Public Transport Victoria) datasets (
 https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/footer/data-and-reporting/datasets/) all
 fall under Creative Commons International 4.0, which requires explicit
 permission to be used according to OSM’s blog. I’ve looked at the wiki and
 can’t find any of these specific datasets in the list approved for use.

>>>
>>> Graeme pointed to the catalogue on the wiki of waiver status. I missed
>>> PTV when doing the initial round, so feel free to add this to the wiki
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue.
>>>
>>>
 Has anyone asked for permission to use these datasets before? I
 downloaded the GTFS dataset for a programming project, and it seems
 amazing: we could add all the stops and connect all the routes for all
 modes of transport in VIC just from this dataset?

>>>
>>> I haven't approached PTV about this, and since it's not listed on the
>>> wiki, I'd say go ahead and put together the waiver letter and send it off.
>>> The metadata records have a contact email you can use. If you do send off a
>>> waiver request please update the status and date you sent it to the wiki
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue, this
>>> really helps the rest of the community see what's going on.
>>>
>>> There'd still be a fair bit of manual work involved in an import to
>>> avoid duplicates and to integrate with what's already in OSM, but with a
>>> solid plan and engaging with this mailing list and local mappers with the
>>> plan and execution, an import could be a good thing to do.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 at 12:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I see there is reference to
 https://www2.delwp.vic.gov.au/maps/spatial-data/victorian-spatial-data#Vicmap_Transport-11
  being
 OK but that doesn't appear to be the same thing?

>>>
>>> Unfortunately not, VicMap Transport only has airports, roads and railway
>>> lines. The PTV data has bus stops and a few other datasets.
>>>
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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSGeo Oceania] OSGeo Oceania - Call For Members

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Thanks John

Done!

Graeme


On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 14:46, John Bryant  wrote:

> Hey Graeme, thanks for the questions! No fees, it's important that we keep
> a low barrier to entry. This is for "ordinary" members, ie. the people who
> contribute to the open geospatial community in Oceania in some meaningful
> way. This includes all kinds of contributions, and isn't limited to people
> actively working on the organisation. Keen mappers are definitely welcome!
>
> For those that like to read  fine print, see the Membership Policy
> 
> .
>
> Cheers
> John
>
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 15:41, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> Thanks for the invitation!
>>
>> Couple of questions please.
>>
>> Is this intended just for potential "ordinary" members eg keen mappers
>> interested in growing things, or is it more for "executive-level" people?
>> (Probably not the right word, so my apologies - definitely no offence
>> intended!)
>>
>> & are there any membership fees?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:34, John Bryant  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, see below for an invitation to join OSGeo Oceania as a member.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> John
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: Edoardo Neerhut 
>>> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:17
>>> Subject: [OSGeo Oceania] OSGeo Oceania - Call For Members
>>> To: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear OSGeo Oceania community,
>>>
>>> This email is an invitation to nominate yourself to become a member of
>>> OSGeo Oceania. OSGeo exists with the stated objective *To support and
>>> grow the open geospatial community in the Oceania region, including the
>>> oversight and stewardship of a FOSS4G & SotM Conference series*.
>>>
>>> You can nominate yourself to become a member by filling in this form
>>> .
>>> Note, if you recently filled out an expression of interest form, you still
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>>>  *The process*A Membership Working Group (MWG) has been formed
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>>>
>>> The MWG currently consists of Edoardo Neerhut, Daniel Silk, David
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>>>
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>>>
>>> You may also wish to subscribe to the OSGeo Oceania mailing list to stay
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