Re: [talk-au] Bush Fire Neighbourhood Safer Places

[adam steer]

Thanks David - seems all the eastern states speak the same language. So
Andrew’s suggestion here:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Bushfire_Places_of_last_resort

...looks good.

Victoria CFA's wikidata entry is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q13632973

Cheers, and thanks

Adam







On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 18:57, David Wales  wrote:

> According to the NSW RFS:
>
> "Neighbourhood Safer Places are a place of last resort during a bush fire
> emergency.
>
> They are to be used when all other options in your bush fire survival plan
> can't be put into action safely."
>
> https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/plan-and-prepare/neighbourhood-safer-places
>
> On 4 January 2020 6:11:15 pm AEDT, Graeme Fitzpatrick <
> graemefi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 12:21, adam steer  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In Vic these are only used as a last resort. Not sure if 'assembly
>>> point' translates to 'only come here if there are absolutely no other
>>> options, and this place might not be safe anyway'.
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems that 'neighbourhood safer places' means something different
>>> across borders. Can anyone in emergency services comment?
>>>
>>
>> The Qld version is similar
>> https://www.ruralfire.qld.gov.au/BushFire_Safety/Neighbourhood-Safer-Places/Pages/default.aspx
>>
>> "An NSP is a local open space or building where people may gather, as a
>> last resort, to seek shelter from a bushfire."
>>
>>   Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Fire Station Operators

[Andrew Harvey]

Yes, this is
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#One_feature.2C_one_OSM_element,
there should only be one amenity=fire_station for a single fire station.

Where possible I prefer to trace the site boundary as this can be useful
information and put all the tags on that, and then just have a way inside
it with building=yes an none of the fire station tags.

But I think it's also fine to just have a node, or to just have the
building without the site as interim solutions or for fire stations where
the extent is just the building which don't have a yard.

On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 15:27, David Wales  wrote:

> Somewhat related to this.
>
> Camden West Rural Fire Service has both a traced building, *and* a traced
> site border.
> Both are currently tagged with amenity=fire_station.
>
> The building has the rest of the identifying tags.
>
> I feel that it makes sense to only have one feature tagged with
> amenity=fire_station, and the rest of the tags. Should this be the
> building, or the site border?
>
> See link below:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id=724460466#map=20/-34.05818/150.67674
>
> Regards,
> David Wales
>
> On 4/1/20 2:39 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 14:14, Sebastian Spiess  wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>> I've done one. Just clarifying regarding the branch.
>>
>> branch  =   Narrabeen Fire Station
>> name   =  Fire and Rescue NSW Station 068 Narrabeen
>>
>
> I can't see clearly from Mapillary what the singe looks like, but branch
> should be just "Narrabeen", without the "Fire Station" words. Then you
> could still have name=Narrabeen Fire Station.
>
>
>> Is this how you suggested? Before the branch tag was the name.
>>
>> I've also added
>> building =fire_station
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/79179815
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Fire Station Operators

[David Wales]

Somewhat related to this.

Camden West Rural Fire Service has both a traced building, *and* a
traced site border.
Both are currently tagged with amenity=fire_station.

The building has the rest of the identifying tags.

I feel that it makes sense to only have one feature tagged with
amenity=fire_station, and the rest of the tags. Should this be the
building, or the site border?

See link below:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id=724460466#map=20/-34.05818/150.67674

Regards,
David Wales

On 4/1/20 2:39 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 14:14, Sebastian Spiess  > wrote:
>
> Andrew,
> I've done one. Just clarifying regarding the branch.
>
> branch  =   Narrabeen Fire Station
> name   =  Fire and Rescue NSW Station 068 Narrabeen
>
>
> I can't see clearly from Mapillary what the singe looks like, but
> branch should be just "Narrabeen", without the "Fire Station" words.
> Then you could still have name=Narrabeen Fire Station.
>  
>
> Is this how you suggested? Before the branch tag was the name.
>
> I've also added
> building =    fire_station
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/79179815
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[talk-au] Calling all geogeeks in the Sydney region!

[Andrew Harvey]

For those in in Sydney, quoting from John Bryant's announcement at
https://t.co/r80D9yNw0h?amp=1 ...

With Andrew Harvey & Stella Blake-Kelly, we're pulling together an
informal, hands-on, geospatial social hacking/training/meetup session,
around the general theme of bushfires and maps.

A couple of ideas for activities (but also, bring your own ideas):
- OSM mapathon (mapping & tagging isolated buildings, bushland, and other
relevant points of interest)
- desktop mapping and coding with various sources of bushfire spatial data

It's about learning, sharing what you know, and making friends in the
geospatial community. All welcome. Bring a laptop!

When: Thursday 9th January, 6pm
Where: Vibewire, 525 Harris St, Ultimo

Huge thanks to Vibewire for providing the space, and OSGeo Oceania for
providing pizza.
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Re: [talk-au] presenting #NorthernBeachesSolar pet project

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Been following with interest - after all, don't we all need something *else*
to map ‽ :-)

Please have a look at
https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=631189377#map=19/-33.81607/150.99852 ,
which I spotted while fixing phone numbers.

So would you draw individual boxes around each of those 15 sets of panels &
tag each one as a separate node?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] RapID roads now available for Australia

[Andy Townsend]

On 05/01/2020 00:39, Dion Moult wrote:

I came across some feedback on the quality of RapID in Australia:

https://en.osm.town/@rory/103419495240060182


"detecting walls as roads" was pretty much the original problem with 
Facebook AI additions to OSM (in Egypt), and that had to be completely 
reverted.  That situation is different to this though - with their 
current version they're using humans to sanity check the suggested 
additions and press the button, so _hopefully_ we won't see the same 
issues as then.


That said, in other circumstances ("suggested tag edits" by iD and some 
of the ropier MapRoulette challenges) we do see some pretty iffy 
human-validated edits going through, so it does make sense to keep an 
eye on these.



On Sun, Jan 05, 2020 at 11:34:04AM +1100, Sebastian Spiess wrote:

HI,

it is now, however it seems they did not use the NSW LPI images but
their own...

Australia 2019-12-30 Facebook's Map With AI - Maxar Imagery


That's also an issue on the other side of the world in the UK.  I had a 
look at an army base up the road from me that had lots of unmapped 
service roads on it.  RapiD did detect some of the missing roads (and to 
be fair I didn't see many false positives), but what it did detect was 
significantly offset from "known good" imagery.  Again, I guess an 
experienced mapper could correct that, but it might need a bit of 
education first.


Best Regards,

Andy



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Re: [talk-au] RapID roads now available for Australia

[Dion Moult]

I came across some feedback on the quality of RapID in Australia:

https://en.osm.town/@rory/103419495240060182

On Sun, Jan 05, 2020 at 11:34:04AM +1100, Sebastian Spiess wrote:
>HI,
> 
>it is now, however it seems they did not use the NSW LPI images but
>their own...
> 
>Australia 2019-12-30 Facebook's Map With AI - Maxar Imagery
> 
>On 31/12/19 12:10 pm, Andrew Davidson wrote:
> 
>On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:40 AM Phil Wyatt <[1]p...@wyatt-family.com>
>wrote:
> 
>RapID roads now available for Australia
> 
> 
>But not in the list of downloads:
>[2]https://github.com/facebookmicrosites/Open-Mapping-At-Facebook/wiki/
>Available-Countries
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Re: [talk-au] RapID roads now available for Australia

[Sebastian Spiess]

HI,
it is now, however it seems they did not use the NSW LPI images but
their own...

Australia   2019-12-30  Facebook's Map With AI - Maxar Imagery



On 31/12/19 12:10 pm, Andrew Davidson wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:40 AM Phil Wyatt  > wrote:
>
> RapID roads now available for Australia
>
>  
>
> But not in the list of downloads:
> https://github.com/facebookmicrosites/Open-Mapping-At-Facebook/wiki/Available-Countries
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Re: [talk-au] presenting #NorthernBeachesSolar pet project

[Sebastian Spiess]

I had a look the Tasking Manager.
Do I understand it correct that I would need to set-up a (local) tasking
manager instance for myself?
The wiki does not list any Tasking Manager in AU. Does anyone have one
up an running or is there one that is good to use for this?


On 4/1/20 9:20 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> Nice work, would love to see more roof top solar panels mapped.
>
> The Tasking
> Manager https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tasking_Manager might suit
> this better than MapRoulette, since Tasking Manager breaks an area up
> into tiles and you go in, choose a tile, complete it, then upload. It
> helps track progress, avoid conflicts and ensures a whole area is done
> without gaps in coverage.
>
> MapRoulette works differently, it's based on identifying features
> already which need some work.
>
> > start_date=* - set to the date of the LPI NSW Imagery - or should
> this be rather source:date=*??
>
> start_date is when the feature started, so when the solar panel was
> installed, you can just do  if you only know the year or -MM
> if you only know the month, but if you don't know you can omit it.
> source:date is better for the imagery date.
>
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 at 08:50, Sebastian S.  > wrote:
>
> So far I have not worked out a good grid method.
> I go by suburb in my area and keep the file local until I've
> completed the suburb. Only then I upload.
> While offline I use a temporary area tagged as wood. I expand this
> box over the area I've worked through. This is just because I
> don't know any better solution. 
>
> If you want to see a map showing the modules you can use open
> infrastructure map, link is at the bottom of the wiki.
>
> I thought about making this a mapping challenge on
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapRoulette but so far I've
> not looked into it. I've got no experience with this but am happy
> to receive guidance.
>
>
> On 2 January 2020 7:11:07 am AEDT, Dion Moult  > wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 11:29:13PM +1100, Sebastian Spiess wrote:
>
> I'd like to present my latest pet project:
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:ConsEbt/NorthernBeachesSolar
> I wanted to share this and collect some feedback or comments. 
>
>
> I love it! I might do a bit of solar mapping too! How easy is it to 
> set a grid
> to know which areas have been mapped?
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Re: [talk-au] presenting #NorthernBeachesSolar pet project

[Andrew Harvey]

Older images aren't published as far as I know. I think source:date is good
enough, since as you say you don't know the installation date of the solar,
it could have been this year, last year, the year before, etc. If you know
the exact year I think it's worth adding, but otherwise it's too uncertain
to know.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 22:54, Sebastian S.  wrote:

> Thanks for the tasking manager tip. Will have a look.
>
> Regarding start date I thought since I don't know the exact date I chose
> the one from the images.
> Once images are updated the source date could be updated while the start
> date stays.
>
> Can we go back in time with LPI images?
>
> On 4 January 2020 9:20:15 am AEDT, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>>
>> Nice work, would love to see more roof top solar panels mapped.
>>
>> The Tasking Manager https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tasking_Manager might
>> suit this better than MapRoulette, since Tasking Manager breaks an area up
>> into tiles and you go in, choose a tile, complete it, then upload. It helps
>> track progress, avoid conflicts and ensures a whole area is done without
>> gaps in coverage.
>>
>> MapRoulette works differently, it's based on identifying features already
>> which need some work.
>>
>> > start_date=* - set to the date of the LPI NSW Imagery - or should this
>> be rather source:date=*??
>>
>> start_date is when the feature started, so when the solar panel was
>> installed, you can just do  if you only know the year or -MM if you
>> only know the month, but if you don't know you can omit it. source:date is
>> better for the imagery date.
>>
>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 at 08:50, Sebastian S.  wrote:
>>
>>> So far I have not worked out a good grid method.
>>> I go by suburb in my area and keep the file local until I've completed
>>> the suburb. Only then I upload.
>>> While offline I use a temporary area tagged as wood. I expand this box
>>> over the area I've worked through. This is just because I don't know any
>>> better solution. 
>>>
>>> If you want to see a map showing the modules you can use open
>>> infrastructure map, link is at the bottom of the wiki.
>>>
>>> I thought about making this a mapping challenge on
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapRoulette but so far I've not
>>> looked into it. I've got no experience with this but am happy to receive
>>> guidance.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 January 2020 7:11:07 am AEDT, Dion Moult 
>>> wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 11:29:13PM +1100, Sebastian Spiess wrote:

> I'd like to present my latest pet project:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:ConsEbt/NorthernBeachesSolar
> I wanted to share this and collect some feedback or comments.
>

 I love it! I might do a bit of solar mapping too! How easy is it to set a 
 grid
 to know which areas have been mapped?

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Re: [talk-au] presenting #NorthernBeachesSolar pet project

[Sebastian S.]

Thanks for the tasking manager tip. Will have a look.

Regarding start date I thought since I don't know the exact date I chose the 
one from the images.
Once images are updated the source date could be updated while the start date 
stays.

Can we go back in time with LPI images?

On 4 January 2020 9:20:15 am AEDT, Andrew Harvey  
wrote:
>Nice work, would love to see more roof top solar panels mapped.
>
>The Tasking Manager https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tasking_Manager
>might
>suit this better than MapRoulette, since Tasking Manager breaks an area
>up
>into tiles and you go in, choose a tile, complete it, then upload. It
>helps
>track progress, avoid conflicts and ensures a whole area is done
>without
>gaps in coverage.
>
>MapRoulette works differently, it's based on identifying features
>already
>which need some work.
>
>> start_date=* - set to the date of the LPI NSW Imagery - or should
>this be
>rather source:date=*??
>
>start_date is when the feature started, so when the solar panel was
>installed, you can just do  if you only know the year or -MM if
>you
>only know the month, but if you don't know you can omit it. source:date
>is
>better for the imagery date.
>
>On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 at 08:50, Sebastian S.  wrote:
>
>> So far I have not worked out a good grid method.
>> I go by suburb in my area and keep the file local until I've
>completed the
>> suburb. Only then I upload.
>> While offline I use a temporary area tagged as wood. I expand this
>box
>> over the area I've worked through. This is just because I don't know
>any
>> better solution. 
>>
>> If you want to see a map showing the modules you can use open
>> infrastructure map, link is at the bottom of the wiki.
>>
>> I thought about making this a mapping challenge on
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapRoulette but so far I've not
>> looked into it. I've got no experience with this but am happy to
>receive
>> guidance.
>>
>>
>> On 2 January 2020 7:11:07 am AEDT, Dion Moult 
>wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 11:29:13PM +1100, Sebastian Spiess wrote:
>>>
 I'd like to present my latest pet project:

>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:ConsEbt/NorthernBeachesSolar
 I wanted to share this and collect some feedback or comments.

>>>
>>> I love it! I might do a bit of solar mapping too! How easy is it to
>set a grid
>>> to know which areas have been mapped?
>>>
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