Re: [talk-au] Fire Station Operators

[Warin]

On 27/1/20 5:38 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:




On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 06:33, Sebastian S. > wrote:


Hi Graeme,
I however was able to add two fire stations that where missing,
the base map is your friend here.
Adding 220 stations via searching the base map is however not a
sensible way of doing it.


Yep, I've put a few more in myself by doing that, but searching 80 
sq km of NSW, 20 sq k at a time? No, I don't think so, thanks! :-)



I've added a couple, but I was not searching for them but other things.



  Thanks

Graeme



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Re: [talk-au] Fire Station Operators

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 06:33, Sebastian S.  wrote:

> Hi Graeme,
> I however was able to add two fire stations that where missing, the base
> map is your friend here.
> Adding 220 stations via searching the base map is however not a sensible
> way of doing it.
>

Yep, I've put a few more in myself by doing that, but searching 80 sq
km of NSW, 20 sq k at a time? No, I don't think so, thanks! :-)

  Thanks

Graeme
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[talk-au] tagging burnt areas

[Warin]

Hi,

A German mapper in Carbargo has used landuse=brownfield to map burnt areas.


One such area is a recreation ground... so it would be burnt grass.


Is it a good idea to map such things?

It could be said this is 'temporary' so not something OSM should map.


If so, how should it be tagged?

It is not really a landuse, nor a landcover.

Possibly a new key as a property key, say, burnt=yes?




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Re: [talk-au] Fire Station Operators

[Sebastian S.]

Hi Graeme,
I tried to fix some of the skipped ones, however only in one case I could find 
a reference website from RFS or RFB. I however was able to add two fire 
stations that where missing, the base map is your friend here.
Adding 220 stations via searching the base map is however not a sensible way of 
doing it.


On 26 January 2020 12:29:29 pm AEDT, Graeme Fitzpatrick  
wrote:
>& done! (apart from ~17 that are too hard, mainly because I can't see
>if
>there actually is a Station in that spot / area)
>
>However, there were "only" 718 listed. Earlier, Warin mentioned 944
>stations in the database, & I've spotted 3 that I know of that weren't
>listed (or previously mapped).
>
>How do we find the extra 220 odd?
>
>Thanks
>
>Graeme
>
>
>On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 at 11:10, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed as to non fire stations - control center is one, the other
>> headquarters.
>>
>> Headquarters would be an 'office' type function.
>>
>> Control center looks, from imagery, to not only control but supply?
>>
>> There is a fire & rescue station in 'town' that is mapped into OSM.
>>
>> There are a number of rural fire stations around Narrabri .. some of
>them
>> unmapped.
>> These show up very well on the LPI Base Map even when zoomed out a
>fair
>> way.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/20 8:12 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 22:40, Sebastian Spiess 
>wrote:
>>
>>> I've done a few. Two raised questions.
>>>
>>> Narrabri - There are two fire ' services'  according to LPI map. How
>to
>>> tag them?
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/79336523
>>
>>
>> Looks like there is a Fire Control Center there, I'd just tag that
>> building as office=government + operator + name, since they have more
>of an
>> office function.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and RAYMOND TERRACE Fire Station - This seems to be and old fire
>station
>>> as according to https://www.fire.nsw.gov.au/news.php?news=608
>>> a new one was built. I can't tell if the old one was closed down.
>>>
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/79336870
>>
>>
>> If you're not sure and street level imagery doesn't help, just mark
>it as
>> too hard and skip it. You can create a note so that someone with
>local
>> knowledge can help.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 2020-01-08 21:24, schrieb Andrew Harvey:
>>> > If someone has carefully surveyed the name as signposted I leave
>that
>>> > intact. branch is not mandatory but helpful since consumers can
>choose
>>> > how they want to format the such as "Narooma", "Narooma RFS",
>"Narooma
>>> > Rural Fire Brigade", etc. especially when combined with operator.
>The
>>> > whole point was to be neutral on the exact name format and not
>engage
>>> > in a mass edit to reformat them to be the same, but instead
>respect
>>> > names will look different based on signage.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 21:05, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I have used the LPI Base Map for both name and operator, see
>>> >>
>>> >> Way: Narooma Fire Station (761122699) [operator fire & rescue]
>>> >>
>>> >> and
>>> >>
>>> >> Way: Narooma Rural Fire Service (761122698)
>>> >>
>>> >> I do not bother with the 'branch' as that is usually the leading
>>> >> value in the name and probably the same as the areas
>administration
>>> >> name too.
>>> >>
>>> >> The LPI Base Map also gives the area so it can be mapped as a
>way.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 08/01/20 16:13, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> No, just confirming details was all I was thinking about!
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >>
>>> >> Graeme
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 14:57, Andrew Harvey
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> It's normally considered okay to check a business website as a
>>> >> reference and picking up their contact details, but to err on the
>>> >> side of caution taking a whole database from fire.nsw.gov.au [1]
>and
>>> >> mass importing is not advised.
>>> >>
>>> >> So I'd suggest not just copying everything from that website. For
>>> >> the RFS operated fire stations normally the name will indicate
>this,
>>> >> or a quick look at google search results may also indicate,
>>> >> sometimes it's visible on Mapillary based on the signage.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 15:39, Graeme Fitzpatrick
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Just a thought?
>>> >>
>>> >> Are we allowed to use 
>https://www.fire.nsw.gov.au/page.php?id=467
>>> >> or not?
>>> >>
>>> >> I've thinking we would still need permission & waiver?
>>> >>
>>> >> Big question, I guess, is - are we commercial or not?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >>
>>> >> Graeme
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Links:
>>> > --
>>> > [1] http://fire.nsw.gov.au
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