Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

No, I would leave it as 2 separate airfields, with the same info
against both.

If that causes a problem, then take the codes off the airbase, as strictly
speaking, that side of the airfield isn't an air transport destination.

Thanks

Graeme


On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 22:10, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au <
talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Thank you all for clarification.
>
> Thank you James for more local details.
>
> So by your opinion is it better to have 2 separate airports with
> duplicated data (such as IATA, ICAO, etc.), or to combine into one polygon.
> Taking into consideration Cleary's and Andrew's answer I would leave as
> is, but since this is isolated case in AU, and some data will be
> duplicated, I would join two polygons. Don't know what to do. 
>
> Thank you in advance for the response.
>
> Nemanja
>
> -Originalna poruka-
> Od: Michael James 
> Poslato: sreda, 25. mart 2020. 12:21
> Za: OpenStreetMap 
> Tema: [EXTERNAL] Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport
>
> It is a military base that allows civilian air traffic to use its runway.
>
> As far as air traffic goes it's called Williamtown, only the civilian
> terminal area is called Newcastle airport. (28 hectares of land)
>
> https://www.newcastleairport.com.au/corporate/about/board-governance
>
> Hope that helps, though no map of that land parcel that they lease for the
> civilian side.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cleary 
> > Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2020 6:29 PM
> > To: OpenStreetMap 
> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport
> >
> >
> >
> > I think the air force base and civilian airport share the same runway
> > but they are two distinct entities with separate buildings etc. Same
> > applies in some other cities including Canberra. I would defer to
> > someone more knowledgeable but I think it remains appropriate to have
> two separate entities mapped in OSM.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, at 7:06 PM, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > > There are two relations in OSM that are referring to the same airport:
> > >
> > >  * https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6263052
> > >  * https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4145466
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The first one has a *aeroway:aerodrome* tag, the second one has a
> > > *military:airfield* tag.
> > >
> > >
> > > I’m not sure should I merge these two relations since there are some
> > > sporadic differences for the same tag in both relations. Please, I
> > > need an extra hand on this.
> > >
> > >
> > > This is an isolated case in whole Australia.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you in advance,
> > >
> > > Nemanja
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Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport

[Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au]

Thank you all for clarification.

Thank you James for more local details. 

So by your opinion is it better to have 2 separate airports with duplicated 
data (such as IATA, ICAO, etc.), or to combine into one polygon.
Taking into consideration Cleary's and Andrew's answer I would leave as is, but 
since this is isolated case in AU, and some data will be duplicated, I would 
join two polygons. Don't know what to do. 

Thank you in advance for the response.

Nemanja

-Originalna poruka-
Od: Michael James  
Poslato: sreda, 25. mart 2020. 12:21
Za: OpenStreetMap 
Tema: [EXTERNAL] Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport

It is a military base that allows civilian air traffic to use its runway.

As far as air traffic goes it's called Williamtown, only the civilian terminal 
area is called Newcastle airport. (28 hectares of land)

https://www.newcastleairport.com.au/corporate/about/board-governance

Hope that helps, though no map of that land parcel that they lease for the 
civilian side.

> -Original Message-
> From: cleary 
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2020 6:29 PM
> To: OpenStreetMap 
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport
> 
> 
> 
> I think the air force base and civilian airport share the same runway 
> but they are two distinct entities with separate buildings etc. Same 
> applies in some other cities including Canberra. I would defer to 
> someone more knowledgeable but I think it remains appropriate to have two 
> separate entities mapped in OSM.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, at 7:06 PM, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > There are two relations in OSM that are referring to the same airport:
> >
> >  * https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6263052
> >  * https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4145466
> > 
> >
> >
> > The first one has a *aeroway:aerodrome* tag, the second one has a
> > *military:airfield* tag.
> >
> >
> > I’m not sure should I merge these two relations since there are some 
> > sporadic differences for the same tag in both relations. Please, I 
> > need an extra hand on this.
> >
> >
> > This is an isolated case in whole Australia.
> >
> >
> > Thank you in advance,
> >
> > Nemanja
> >
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> >
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Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport

[Michael James]

It is a military base that allows civilian air traffic to use its runway.

As far as air traffic goes it's called Williamtown, only the civilian terminal 
area is called Newcastle airport. (28 hectares of land)

https://www.newcastleairport.com.au/corporate/about/board-governance

Hope that helps, though no map of that land parcel that they lease for the 
civilian side.

> -Original Message-
> From: cleary 
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2020 6:29 PM
> To: OpenStreetMap 
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport
> 
> 
> 
> I think the air force base and civilian airport share the same runway but 
> they are
> two distinct entities with separate buildings etc. Same applies in some other
> cities including Canberra. I would defer to someone more knowledgeable but I
> think it remains appropriate to have two separate entities mapped in OSM.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, at 7:06 PM, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > There are two relations in OSM that are referring to the same airport:
> >
> >  * https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6263052
> >  * https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4145466
> > 
> >
> >
> > The first one has a *aeroway:aerodrome* tag, the second one has a
> > *military:airfield* tag.
> >
> >
> > I’m not sure should I merge these two relations since there are some
> > sporadic differences for the same tag in both relations. Please, I
> > need an extra hand on this.
> >
> >
> > This is an isolated case in whole Australia.
> >
> >
> > Thank you in advance,
> >
> > Nemanja
> >
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Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport

[Andrew Harvey]

I agree with cleary, that I think these are two different airports but
share the same runway, but likewise I'm also not familiar enough to say for
sure.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 19:32, cleary  wrote:

>
>
> I think the air force base and civilian airport share the same runway but
> they are two distinct entities with separate buildings etc. Same applies in
> some other cities including Canberra. I would defer to someone more
> knowledgeable but I think it remains appropriate to have two separate
> entities mapped in OSM.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, at 7:06 PM, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > There are two relations in OSM that are referring to the same airport:
> >
> >  * https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6263052
> > <
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Frelation%2F6263052=02%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7Ca54d169de63c4331268408d7d03b8188%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637206826346264901=RjQuKt9emYgbapDZ%2Fi9ifXwLPXKATL0SR%2FC%2FGi3i4YM%3D=0
> >
> >  * https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4145466
> > <
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Frelation%2F4145466=02%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7Ca54d169de63c4331268408d7d03b8188%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637206826346274895=Qy8ECAvP7jNTFkuOnxXyNdTTWAb9eOocDw6OH6WewSk%3D=0
> >
> >
> > The first one has a *aeroway:aerodrome* tag, the second one has a
> > *military:airfield* tag.
> >
> >
> > I’m not sure should I merge these two relations since there are some
> > sporadic differences for the same tag in both relations. Please, I need
> > an extra hand on this.
> >
> >
> > This is an isolated case in whole Australia.
> >
> >
> > Thank you in advance,
> >
> > Nemanja
> >
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Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport

[cleary]

I think the air force base and civilian airport share the same runway but they 
are two distinct entities with separate buildings etc. Same applies in some 
other cities including Canberra. I would defer to someone more knowledgeable 
but I think it remains appropriate to have two separate entities mapped in OSM.



On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, at 7:06 PM, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au wrote:
>  
> Hi,
> 
> 
> There are two relations in OSM that are referring to the same airport:
> 
>  * https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6263052 
> 
>  * https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4145466 
> 
> 
> The first one has a *aeroway:aerodrome* tag, the second one has a 
> *military:airfield* tag.
> 
> 
> I’m not sure should I merge these two relations since there are some 
> sporadic differences for the same tag in both relations. Please, I need 
> an extra hand on this.
> 
> 
> This is an isolated case in whole Australia.
> 
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> 
> Nemanja
> 
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[talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport

[Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au]

Hi,

There are two relations in OSM that are referring to the same airport:

  *   
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6263052
  *   
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4145466

The first one has a aeroway:aerodrome tag, the second one has a 
military:airfield tag.

I'm not sure should I merge these two relations since there are some sporadic 
differences for the same tag in both relations. Please, I need an extra hand on 
this.

This is an isolated case in whole Australia.

Thank you in advance,
Nemanja
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