Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

[Greg Dutkowski]

Hi,
I was thinking of using the ref tag to store the council ID for the object,
and then the council could use the OSMID in their database.
What I was looking for was tools or approaches for keeping the two in sync.
The foreign keys in each system are part of that.
The conflation tools Andew Harvey pointed to may be a way to go.
OSM is so big and diverse it is hard to get your head around all of the
possibilities, so contacts with people who are making conflation work would
be ideal.

Greg Dutkowski
+61 0362238495/0408238495
1 Cascade Road, SOUTH HOBART.


On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 12:33, David Wales  wrote:

> Is there any reason against using a custom tag as a linking key?
>
> e.g. some_import_object_id=123456
>
> Then when you need to update the data, you can match the key in OSM with
> the key in the source data.
>
> On 19 July 2020 11:21:04 pm AEST, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 22:28, Greg Dutkowski 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Thanks for everyone's input.
>>> Sebastien best understood what I am trying to do.
>>> It seems inefficient for local government to make their data open and
>>> then hope the OSM community translates it to OSM tagging.
>>>
>> Better for local government to put their data directly into OSM and
>>> maintain a two way link to their data.
>>>
>>
>> While that is certainly welcome, I would never have an expectation of it.
>> I expectat that all public funded works are made open without restrictions
>> on use (of course subject to privacy concerns or other special
>> considerations) so at least the OSM community can use it if we like,
>> anything above and beyond this is a welcome contribution.
>>
>> If a local government is thinking about this, I'd just say engage with us
>> so we can all work together.
>>
>>
>>> Examples and tools from anyone who is trying to keep external data in
>>> sync with OSM will be most useful.
>>>
>>
>> There are some conflation tools at
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Conflation but they appear
>> to all need a lot of coding to get up and running.
>>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

[David Wales]

Is there any reason against using a custom tag as a linking key?

e.g. some_import_object_id=123456

Then when you need to update the data, you can match the key in OSM with the 
key in the source data.

On 19 July 2020 11:21:04 pm AEST, Andrew Harvey  
wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 22:28, Greg Dutkowski 
>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Thanks for everyone's input.
>> Sebastien best understood what I am trying to do.
>> It seems inefficient for local government to make their data open and
>then
>> hope the OSM community translates it to OSM tagging.
>>
>Better for local government to put their data directly into OSM and
>> maintain a two way link to their data.
>>
>
>While that is certainly welcome, I would never have an expectation of
>it. I
>expectat that all public funded works are made open without
>restrictions on
>use (of course subject to privacy concerns or other special
>considerations)
>so at least the OSM community can use it if we like, anything above and
>beyond this is a welcome contribution.
>
>If a local government is thinking about this, I'd just say engage with
>us
>so we can all work together.
>
>
>> Examples and tools from anyone who is trying to keep external data in
>> sync with OSM will be most useful.
>>
>
>There are some conflation tools at
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Conflation but they appear
>to
>all need a lot of coding to get up and running.
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Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

[Andrew Harvey]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 22:28, Greg Dutkowski 
wrote:

> Hi,
> Thanks for everyone's input.
> Sebastien best understood what I am trying to do.
> It seems inefficient for local government to make their data open and then
> hope the OSM community translates it to OSM tagging.
>
Better for local government to put their data directly into OSM and
> maintain a two way link to their data.
>

While that is certainly welcome, I would never have an expectation of it. I
expectat that all public funded works are made open without restrictions on
use (of course subject to privacy concerns or other special considerations)
so at least the OSM community can use it if we like, anything above and
beyond this is a welcome contribution.

If a local government is thinking about this, I'd just say engage with us
so we can all work together.


> Examples and tools from anyone who is trying to keep external data in
> sync with OSM will be most useful.
>

There are some conflation tools at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Conflation but they appear to
all need a lot of coding to get up and running.
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[talk-au] Working with local government

[Greg Dutkowski]

Hi,
Thanks for everyone's input.
Sebastien best understood what I am trying to do.
It seems inefficient for local government to make their data open and then
hope the OSM community translates it to OSM tagging. Better for local
government to put their data directly into OSM and maintain a two way link
to their data.
Examples and tools from anyone who is trying to keep external data in
sync with OSM will be most useful.
I have had good chats with Transport NSW, but ther do not try and do it.
Maybe they are right, it is too hard.


Greg Dutkowski
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Re: [talk-au] Show your support of OpenStreetMap in our region: OSMF Application 

[Edoardo Neerhut]

Hi again,

Andrew informs me that the calendar invite link doesn't work. I'll send out
invites to everyone who puts 'Yes' next to the question about volunteering
on the working group, or feel free to respond to this email requesting an
invite.

Cheers,

Ed

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 16:49, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:

> Hi Oceania,
>
> *TLDR: Show your support for OpenStreetMap in Oceania by filling in this
> brief form
> ,
> and if you're interested, volunteering to help create an OSM Oceania
> working group.*
>
> The purpose of this email is to gather support and volunteers to establish
> a local chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation
>  (OSMF) in Oceania. OSGeo
> Oceania  has been supporting the
> application, and the benefits and objectives of this Local Chapter have
> been shared with the Australia
> ,
> New Zealand
> , and
> Oceania 
> talklists in earlier emails and on the Maptime Oceania Slack
> .
> You can find the local chapter application that was submitted to the OSMF
> here
> .
>
> *Application review*
>
> As part of the application review process, the OSMF Board, namely Joost
> Schouppe and Rory McCann, have already reached out to the community via
> various channels to gauge the level of community support for the
> application. While they received positive responses, the response was
> limited. I think we can do better.
>
> *Establishing an OpenStreetMap working group*
>
> One of the concerns raised by the OSMF Board and others is that OSGeo
> Oceania might not be truly representative of the OSM community. One
> solution to address this concern is to establish an OSM focused working
> group made up of representatives from across the region. While I hinted at
> this in May, I am now formally proposing that we establish a working group.
>
> The working group is a good solution because it will allow a wider range
> of voices from the region, without the requirement that those voices have
> any affiliation with OSGeo Oceania. At the same time, the working group
> would be able to benefit from the resources, structure, and conference
> platform that OSGeo Oceania has already established.
>
> *I propose the following:*
>
>
>1.
>
>An initial meeting of interested parties at 12:00 pm AEST/2pm New
>Zealand/Fiji time
>
> 
>this Thursday, July 23rd. The Google Meet link is in the calendar invite.
>If you're unable to make this time, let me know and I will arrange an
>additional meeting. Discussion via email is also acceptable.
>2.
>
>Formal establishment of an OSM working group and nomination of a
>leader to coordinate these efforts.
>3.
>
>Notification to OSGeo Oceania that this working group has been
>established.
>4.
>
>Notification to the OSMF that this working group has been established
>and that it will seek to understand and represent stakeholders in Oceania's
>OSM community.
>5.
>
>Consultation period where the working group gathers input from
>throughout the region.
>6.
>
>Documentation of the working groups first priorities.
>
>
> The OSMF Board can then make a determination on whether to recognise OSGeo
> Oceania and by extension this working group as the local chapter for
> OpenStreetMap in Oceania.
>
> Thank you for your time and I hope you'll lend your support to this
> initiative.
>
> Edoardo Neerhut
>
>
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[talk-au] Show your support of OpenStreetMap in our region: OSMF Application 

[Edoardo Neerhut]

Hi Oceania,

*TLDR: Show your support for OpenStreetMap in Oceania by filling in this
brief form
,
and if you're interested, volunteering to help create an OSM Oceania
working group.*

The purpose of this email is to gather support and volunteers to establish
a local chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation
 (OSMF) in Oceania. OSGeo
Oceania  has been supporting the
application, and the benefits and objectives of this Local Chapter have
been shared with the Australia
,
New Zealand
, and
Oceania 
talklists in earlier emails and on the Maptime Oceania Slack
.
You can find the local chapter application that was submitted to the OSMF
here
.

*Application review*

As part of the application review process, the OSMF Board, namely Joost
Schouppe and Rory McCann, have already reached out to the community via
various channels to gauge the level of community support for the
application. While they received positive responses, the response was
limited. I think we can do better.

*Establishing an OpenStreetMap working group*

One of the concerns raised by the OSMF Board and others is that OSGeo
Oceania might not be truly representative of the OSM community. One
solution to address this concern is to establish an OSM focused working
group made up of representatives from across the region. While I hinted at
this in May, I am now formally proposing that we establish a working group.

The working group is a good solution because it will allow a wider range of
voices from the region, without the requirement that those voices have any
affiliation with OSGeo Oceania. At the same time, the working group would
be able to benefit from the resources, structure, and conference platform
that OSGeo Oceania has already established.

*I propose the following:*


   1.

   An initial meeting of interested parties at 12:00 pm AEST/2pm New
   Zealand/Fiji time
   

   this Thursday, July 23rd. The Google Meet link is in the calendar invite.
   If you're unable to make this time, let me know and I will arrange an
   additional meeting. Discussion via email is also acceptable.
   2.

   Formal establishment of an OSM working group and nomination of a leader
   to coordinate these efforts.
   3.

   Notification to OSGeo Oceania that this working group has been
   established.
   4.

   Notification to the OSMF that this working group has been established
   and that it will seek to understand and represent stakeholders in Oceania's
   OSM community.
   5.

   Consultation period where the working group gathers input from
   throughout the region.
   6.

   Documentation of the working groups first priorities.


The OSMF Board can then make a determination on whether to recognise OSGeo
Oceania and by extension this working group as the local chapter for
OpenStreetMap in Oceania.

Thank you for your time and I hope you'll lend your support to this
initiative.

Edoardo Neerhut
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