Re: [talk-au] train tour

2022-02-19 Thread osm.talk-au
This came up recently in #oceania on the OpenStreetMap World Discord, and
after looking at it and some contemplate we came to the conclusion that yes,
these are actual routes operating their own trains with multiple scheduled
services, so they should be mapped.

-Original Message-
From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, 20 February 2022 10:11
To: OSM Australian Talk List 
Subject: [talk-au] train tour

Hi,


Someone is mapping a 'train tour' into OSM.

Should such things be mapped?


See https://openstreetmap.org/relation/13806704 - note incomplete as yet.


Humm they have mapped a few of them and they appear to be 'regular' 
services - not one offs as I thought.


https://vintagerailjourneys.com.au


Their route entries don't appear to conform to the 'rules' PTV1 of PTV2...


Any comments or thoughts?



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Re: [talk-au] train tour

2022-02-19 Thread stevea
On Feb 19, 2022, at 4:11 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Someone is mapping a 'train tour' into OSM.
> Should such things be mapped?

Yes.  As someone who extensively maps rail infrastructure relations 
(route=railway) as well as both passenger routes (route=train, 
route=light_rail, route=tram, route=monorail...) which are "typical passenger 
trains" (like commuter lines, light rail, urban trams, airport-style 
monorails...) AND passenger routes on rail which are "heritage / tourist / 
museum" trains, it is clear to many in OSM that these deserved to be mapped:  
they are quite extensively.

Additionally, sometimes the (subtle, see above!) tagging schemes (not to 
mention PTv1 and PTv2 differences) for these differing kinds of passenger rail 
services (passenger=international, passenger=national, passenger=regional, 
passenger=suburban, passenger=urban, passenger=local) need explaining.  
Sometimes, such "tourist" routes deserve to be tagged "passenger=local" (or 
maybe urban, depending on length and speed), if they provide some modicum of 
passenger service (in addition to the touristic or "heritage / museum" kinds of 
services).  Other times, a passenger=* tag doesn't belong, as the trains are 
only for excursion or educational purposes.

For a rich example, please see 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/California/Railroads/Passenger , especially the last 
section:  "Tourism, museum, heritage and historic (possibly passenger=local) 
trains."

Do recall that it is typical around the world for there to be TWO route 
relations associated with such a passenger route:  the underlying 
infrastructure (route=railway) and the passenger route proper (route=train / 
light_rail / tram / monorail...).  The latter have Public Transport Version 1 
and Version 2 variants.  Additionally, Germany often has a third relation (at 
the "bottom" of this hierarchy of routes) known as route=tracks, which isn't 
often found outside of Western Europe.  Australia appears to be a place where 
route=tracks relations are seldom, if ever, found.

Thank you for asking.
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[talk-au] train tour

2022-02-19 Thread Warin

Hi,


Someone is mapping a 'train tour' into OSM.

Should such things be mapped?


See https://openstreetmap.org/relation/13806704 - note incomplete as yet.


Humm they have mapped a few of them and they appear to be 'regular' 
services - not one offs as I thought.



https://vintagerailjourneys.com.au


Their route entries don't appear to conform to the 'rules' PTV1 of PTV2...


Any comments or thoughts?



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