[talk-au] Vic gov data request denied

[Little Maps]

Hi all, some disappointing news. Our request to extend our existing waiver to 
the Vic Gov Vic Topo datasets to other gov departmental datasets has been 
denied. See the message below. For background, this request was discussed here 
late last year:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-October/015230.html

By my reading this doesn’t invalidate our existing waiver, just the use of 
other datasets not covered by it, but I’ll leave others to decode it further. 
Best wishes Ian

Begin forwarded message:

> From: GIS HelpDesk 
> Date: 11 March 2022 at 12:57:44 pm AEDT
> To: 
> Subject: SRQ0216617 New Comments Added re: OpenStreetMap DELWP data request
> Reply-To: GIS HelpDesk 
> 
> 
>  
> Service Request SRQ0216617 has been commented on
> 
> The following Service Request has been commented. Should you have any 
> updates, or are seeking additional information specific to this Service 
> Request please reply to this email.
> NumberSRQ0216617
> Requestor 
> Affected User 
> Business Service  Enterprise Spatial Services
> State Pending Customer
> Short Description
> OpenStreetMap DELWP data request
> Comments
> 11-03-2022 12:57:28 AEDT - George Mansour Comments to Requestor
> Hi Ian,
>  
> We are not in a position to sign any agreement as most of the Departments 
> data is open, therefore under the Creative Commons License, you may use and 
> distribute the data as you wish. The only requirement is acknowledgement to 
> DELWP.
>  
> If you wish to add to the Vicmap Suite of products of require specific detail 
> regarding Vicmap Data, please contact vicmap.h...@delwp.vic.gov.au.
>  
> Regards,
> George
> Description
> Received from: 
> Email subject: OpenStreetMap DELWP data request
> To: vicmap.h...@delwp.vic.gov.au
> EXTERNAL SENDER: Links and attachments may be unsafe.
>  
> Dear DELWP staff,
>  
> I wish to request an update to the permission and waiver that DELWP
> provided to the OpenStreetMap project in 2018 (Ref: SRQ0062658) which
> covered VicMap datasets. If your department agrees, we would like to extend
> this permission to cover all of DELWP's open data that is available under
> the Creative Commons CC BY 4.0 license. The attached document contains more
> details on the 2018 agreement and this request. Please contact me if you
> require any further information.
>  
> Thank you for your assistance.
>  
> Ref:MSGE3393959
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Re: [talk-au] Meetup in Perth, Sunday March 20th

[Sam Wilson]

Yes, we'll do our best to resolve notes! Although, we might end up 
creating some too… :-)


Looks like there's 8 people signed up so far.


On 11/3/22 09:45, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

Sounds like fun!

& if you're in the area ... :-)

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/-31.9291/115.8241=N 



Thanks

Graeme


On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 18:35, Sam Wilson  wrote:

We're having another meetup next weekend:
https://osmcal.org/event/1211/

OSGeo Oceania are providing morning tea (via a microgrant). :-)

—Sam



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Re: [talk-au] "Illegal", & "asked to be closed" tracks?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Message sent to Blue Mountains Council asking for them to please clarify
what the legal use of these tracks is?

I'll update when I hear something back from them.

Thanks

Graeme


On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 18:15, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Illegally constructed ... who says?
>
>
> Never mind.
>
>
> The land owner/controller would be the one to contact.
>
>
> Ask about access in general terms - everyone, private, permissive..
>
>
> The method of transportation over the track is a separate issue ...
>
> There maybe access considerations for them too .. but again not about
> the physical properties .. but the permissions.
>
>
> On 10/3/22 18:40, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
> > Hi Graeme
> >
> > "Illegally constructed trail bike tracks", so
> >  possibly just tagging it as motor_vehicles=private, foot & bikes=yes,
> > would
> >  solve it?
> >
> > No, I don't think so.
> > Its a trail bike track so its probably too narrow for cars,
> > motor_vehicles=private seems irrelevant
> > foot & bikes=yes, It sounds like the landowner didn't want the track
> > constructed and most likely doesn't want any traffic at all. access=no
> > is probably the most accurate.
> >
> > Strava, glowing dull red cuts out the lifecycle prefixes.
> >
> > I would probably tag it access=no and close it with a comment that
> > removing it from the map is not a simple process and that the creator,
> > Cormacticii probably should ask on talk-au
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 at 17:34,  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2788602#map=15/-33.7227/150.6317
> >>> Contact the land manager, if the land manager can make a serious job
> >>> of closing the track to traffic then it might be OK to use a lifecycle
> >>> prefix, there are a few to choose from.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Thanks - now who to ask?
> >>
> >> The Note's OP says that it's "Deerubbin LALC land", which I'm
> >> thinking is
> >> Local Aboriginal Land Council?, while we show that it comes under Blue
> >> Mountains City Council. Which of the two would have the say? Or is it
> >> State
> >> Govt?
> >>
> >> Also thought to have a look on Strava, which shows this looped track as
> >> glowing dull red, so a reasonable number of people are certainly
> >> using it!
> >>
> >> Complaint was that it was "Illegally constructed trail bike tracks", so
> >> possibly just tagging it as motor_vehicles=private, foot & bikes=yes,
> >> would
> >> solve it?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Graeme
> >>
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Re: [talk-au] Meetup in Perth, Sunday March 20th

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Sounds like fun!

& if you're in the area ... :-)

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/-31.9291/115.8241=N

Thanks

Graeme


On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 18:35, Sam Wilson  wrote:

> We're having another meetup next weekend: https://osmcal.org/event/1211/
>
> OSGeo Oceania are providing morning tea (via a microgrant). :-)
>
> —Sam
>
>
>
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[talk-au] Meetup in Perth, Sunday March 20th

[Sam Wilson]

We're having another meetup next weekend: https://osmcal.org/event/1211/

OSGeo Oceania are providing morning tea (via a microgrant). :-)

—Sam



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Re: [talk-au] "Illegal", & "asked to be closed" tracks?

[Warin]

Illegally constructed ... who says?


Never mind.


The land owner/controller would be the one to contact.


Ask about access in general terms - everyone, private, permissive..


The method of transportation over the track is a separate issue ...

There maybe access considerations for them too .. but again not about 
the physical properties .. but the permissions.



On 10/3/22 18:40, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:

Hi Graeme

"Illegally constructed trail bike tracks", so
 possibly just tagging it as motor_vehicles=private, foot & bikes=yes, 
would

 solve it?

No, I don't think so.
Its a trail bike track so its probably too narrow for cars, 
motor_vehicles=private seems irrelevant
foot & bikes=yes, It sounds like the landowner didn't want the track 
constructed and most likely doesn't want any traffic at all. access=no 
is probably the most accurate.


Strava, glowing dull red cuts out the lifecycle prefixes.

I would probably tag it access=no and close it with a comment that 
removing it from the map is not a simple process and that the creator, 
Cormacticii probably should ask on talk-au


Tony



On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 at 17:34,  wrote:



https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2788602#map=15/-33.7227/150.6317
Contact the land manager, if the land manager can make a serious job
of closing the track to traffic then it might be OK to use a lifecycle
prefix, there are a few to choose from.



Thanks - now who to ask?

The Note's OP says that it's "Deerubbin LALC land", which I'm 
thinking is

Local Aboriginal Land Council?, while we show that it comes under Blue
Mountains City Council. Which of the two would have the say? Or is it 
State

Govt?

Also thought to have a look on Strava, which shows this looped track as
glowing dull red, so a reasonable number of people are certainly 
using it!


Complaint was that it was "Illegally constructed trail bike tracks", so
possibly just tagging it as motor_vehicles=private, foot & bikes=yes, 
would

solve it?

Thanks

Graeme

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