Re: [talk-au] Country homesteads?

[stevea]

Truthfully, I’ve seen it both ways:  that’s partly why I asked (somewhat, but 
not completely rhetorically) “which (one of the two landuse tags) renders?”  
(Farmland or residential?)

I wasn’t tagging for the renderer, I was tagging according to the wiki, and 
only after many years after that tagging style was documented in our wiki did I 
even start to tag like that (so in fact, as a result, only rarely and 
recently).  Tagging styles do change, that is another point of my post and 
“farmyard as including a farmhouse” has vacillated (been tagged “both ways” 
where it is both done and not done).

The “overarching” idea I want to convey is that with good dialog “amongst 
ourselves” (I sort of duck out the “our” part:  even though were all OSM, I’m 
not from the Southern Hemisphere / around there, but we do share most of a 
language and at least some tagging habits) sensible tagging strategies do 
emerge.  This might be among a country (sorta happens, wiki emerges) among a 
particular group (motorists, hikers, mountain bikers…) or particular 
circumstances (when population levels are above or below a certain threshold, 
when an agreement arises to do a certain kind of routing using a certain method 
of tags…).  The result of “we did a lot of discussion about this” can 
frequently result in “ah, at long last we have rather wide agreement.”  Not 
always, but often enough that the investment in discussion (like this) pays 
dividends in the long run.
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Re: [talk-au] Country homesteads?

[Warin]

On 23/4/22 20:01, stevea wrote:

I don’t know what Oz'll end up doing, but I’ve been mapping landuse=farm, which 
became landuse=farmland, since 2009.  I’ve also used landuse=farmyard (renders 
in Carto as a “stronger tan-orange” compared to “faint orange” for farmland), 
but I initially restricted my use of farmyard to what (in US English) I think 
of as a “farmyard:”  areas used to store equipment, like irrigation-related, 
maybe a barn or roof-only that keeps a tractor dry, “tool staging,” maybe dry 
area or bins to store feed, etc.  It turns out, and I only learned in 2020 to 
tag inside of a landuse=farmland with landuse=farmyard on a polygon that 
encloses the “residential” area (not actually tagged landuse=residential, but 
it might as well be that) for the building=house, or “farm house” where the 
people who live on this “family farm” sleep at night.  Our wiki [1] told me 
this, and I myself have added a few landuse=farmyard polygons (with a farmhouse 
inside) after (recently) learning that this is well-used (and well-documented) 
tagging.

See, because landuse=residential for the farmhouse would collide with 
landuse=farmland (which renders?), doing it with farmyard-inside-farmland works 
to identify the farmhouse (area).  Try it, after seeing the photo in the wiki, 
it makes sense, and the rendering (more color saturation where the people are) 
is visually pleasing, if not more semiotically sensible.



Don't tag for the  render


I changed the wiki some time ago to correct that suggestion that the 
residential area of the farm be tagged farmyard. If it is a 'residential 
area' then tag it as a residential area.


Many Australian homesteads have the immediate area as residential - 
swimming pools, tennis courts and gardens.


Residential areas do render - pail gray on the standard map.

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