Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 23:44:13 -0400 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: As we are trying to tell you, AGIMO, who owns the data.gov.au domain, does not grant any copyright permissions whatsoever. They are a place which consolidates data and makes it available, but the actual government department or qango which owns the data has to be approached for an alteration in any licence conditions or confirmation of licence conditions. Are you suggesting that data.gov.au aren't aware of their own license terms or that they are acting outside of their terms? What evidence to you provide to support your accusations? I draw your attention to the following page http://data.gov.au/data/how-to-submit-a-dataset/ As you read this page, you will see that the submitting government authority specifies the licence under which the data is distributed, not AGIMO (data.gov.au) Licensing your dataset 13. Choose a license for your dataset from the drop down box. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:34:48 +1100 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Dear Talk-au, The License Working Group have had further communication with data.au.gov to confirm their position on permitting data.au.gov data in OpenStreetMap. data.au.gov have reviewed the Australian section of the attribution page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution#Australian_government_public_information_datasets and responded as follows: That is terrific – thank you Regards, data.au.gov Team We trust that you will find this to be sufficient confirmation that it is okay to include data from data.gov.au in OpenStreetMap with your CT/ODbL accounts. There's clearly some communication failure going on here. This isn't sufficient confirmation of anything except maybe that somebody at data.gov.au thinks something is terrific, probably something on the attribution page. There's no mention of licence compatibility or special permission grants, and a complete lack of the clear statements I'd expect to see. All context has been removed, and the phrase That is terrific can't stand alone. Richard, is it possible to simply forward the communications you have from data.gov.au to this list, or otherwise make them publically available? That should put the matter to rest one way or another. The answer from AGIMO (data.gov.au) will actually be irrelevant. Problem 1 At the beginning (email one of this thread) Grant said You will see two lists. The first are datasets that are definitely from data.gov.au. The second is a list we are unsure of and will be working to contact individual agencies now we have the basic principle in place. This is the big misunderstanding. AGIMO only hosts or provides links to the datasets, all of them. It does not own any, and any request for permission to use these copyright works other than under the originally published licence has to come from the copyright holder. For example, the first one on the first list is National Parks and Asset Locations (South Australia), 29 October 2009, CC-BY 2.5 Australia, Department for Environment and Heritage (SA), originally retrieved from http://data.gov.au/589 If you want to use this under ODbL you have to ask DEH of SA. No use asking AGIMO, because it is a totally different government and has no ownership nor jurisdiction over the data. Can we finally get this straight? For example I take a photo. My sister publishes a link to the photo. Asking for permission to use it from my sister is inappropriate. We are related, but its not hers to approve any other use. Problem 2. There has been a lot written about reusing CC-by under ODbL. The incompatibility has been with the Contributor Terms. I am not going to read them again, and I don't care what they are now, but they were the big sticking point of legality. For example OSMF asks that my sister gives permission for the (same) photo to be used in OSMF owned dataset. My sister cannot give the permission because the photo isn't hers. The Dunny Database is quite specific in its licence on this point - prohibiting sublicensing absolutely. I have not examined any of the other individual licences of data on AGIMO's site. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:10:36 -0400 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:19:56 -0400 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution#Australian_government_public_information_datasets and responded as follows: That is terrific – thank you Regards, data.au.gov Team Looks blatantly fraudulent No. it's data.gov.au Of course it is. And they got it right in the original. I flipped au and gov in the transcription. Sorry. and again, they don't own the data, the data is owned by other entities in the name of the Crown And still, they'd know what they may and may not permit. ___ Well I suggest that you don't transcribe. I suggest you use copy and paste as normal lazy people do. You have omitted the entire context. Last time you made these claims, we asked for the original to made available, and we still haven't seen an original. When I get an email from a bureaucrat, it follows a specific formula Dear writer In reply to email of date xxyyzz Text End Text Yours sincerely Joe Bureaucrat Head_Of_Writing_Emails Department of XXYY As we are trying to tell you, AGIMO, who owns the data.gov.au domain, does not grant any copyright permissions whatsoever. They are a place which consolidates data and makes it available, but the actual government department or qango which owns the data has to be approached for an alteration in any licence conditions or confirmation of licence conditions. As you persist down this path, you will be responsible for putting in your ODbL-licensed database material which is incompatible, as it is CC-BY 2.5 licensed data. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 16:31:38 +1000 Ian Sergeant ina...@gmail.com wrote: The Princes Highway is an historical curiosity, and internal name management name assigned by the NSW roads authority, and the name of a bunch of roads between Sydney and Adelaide. It isn't a route any longer. I'm sure people say they are going to drive the Princes Highway from Sydney to Melbourne, but you can never pin it down to actual set of roads. They just mean they are driving down the coast, as opposed to the Hume. It is a useful turn of phrase, but it is a mapping anachronism. So you would be happier if there was a fourth dimension n the data, that of time? So that you could mark a route as 'original princes highway' and another route as 'princes highway 1990' and so on? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:20:15 +1000 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: According to Wikipedia, it should extend all the way from Adelaide to Sydney: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes_Highway according to my personal knowledge, it has run between Adelaide and Sydney via Melbourne for decades. But the ref number does not equal the Princes Highway Route 1 is Cairns to Darwin via coast, and was signposted thus in the 60s. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 06:32:14 +1000 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On 26/08/11 13:33, Nick Hocking wrote: I'd really like it if all roads that don't have names yet (in OSM) were just deleted. Then II'd be much more inclined to drive there and collect all the infomation. Having a quick look around, it looks like one of us needs to put some names onto the map of Cowra: http://osm.org/go/uNfeplBS-?layers=N John H A lot of those streets were placed by a particular person whom I know traced from Google in particular places. I'll stop that accusation there. I haven't been able to put many names to streets in Cowra because I don't travel through there often. If the streets are traced from sources which shouldn't have been used, then of course they should be deleted as Nick suggests. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] GPS traces
I have removed all my gps traces from the OSM database. I have worked primarily from survey. If anyone wishes to query my edits regarding source, position etc, I am happy to answer private emails or email via the OSM site regarding my gps traces. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Andrew Harvey wrote: FYI. As per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#One_feature.2C_one_OSM-ob ject I've removed a whole bunch of nodes where the same feature was mapped out as a way. I made sure not to loose any tags in the process. Changeset http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5634963. I checked some of the other QA tools at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quality_Assurance, but of course it would be good if there was some central framework for having QA checks run centrally on OSM servers. This way one could get updates when say a node and closed way are in the same location with the same tags. Welcome to talk-au I don't subscribe to the newbies list, so have no idea who is preaching what on that list. Thanks for letting us know here what you did, so that we can discuss and provide our point of view. Aussies of course revel in being different :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, John Smith wrote: On 31 August 2010 17:30, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, Ross Scanlon wrote: Sarcasm switch firmly on. :D Can anyone explain why aussie humour isn't understood in most other parts of the world? I put the question to google, and there are no academic articles in the first page. Instead http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Australia_says_%22You_just_don%27t_understand_our_humour!%22 -- You have a truly strong individuality. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Dislike the new wiki skin?
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Grant Slater wrote: PS: Being from the Southern Hemisphere, when is someone going to make a correct side up OSM map? With the new southern hemisphere fork, except i need to keep all of Brazil in, so the northern boundary may be rubbery ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW Parish Maps
On Sun, 8 Aug 2010, Andrew Harvey wrote: I've collated a list of URLs of all the mrsid files (and an index) they offer if anyone wanted to mass download them. that would be handy as the site opens into a popup so if you have popup windows blocked (like me) you get a blank page ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010, Craig Feuerherdt wrote: Well unless recreation includes purchasing showbags and eating fairy floss :) What about the rides? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] What makes a good change set comment?
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010, Richard Weait wrote: What goes in to a good change set comment? Should it include the nature of your edits, the sources used, edit theme, and location? What else? The question is good, but from a mapper point of view I don't want to put in masses of information. I want it to upload, and be saved before a crisis occurs. But when I'm trying to sort out what someone was doing, and why I disagree with their actions, no changeset comment is ever going to give the information here is an example correct errors from tagwatch update to nearmap (I know whose this is, and I'm not picking on you. I've been putting town names eg murrumburrah. Of course when you see where the edit was, that information isn't really helpful either. I find changeset comments like the secret police, very invasive, and will be unlikely to write anything effusive in the space. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Direction of flow, rivers and streams
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Craig Feuerherdt wrote: In some cases it is pretty difficult to determine which way streams flow as pointed out by Liz and in these instances it may be worth putting a fixme=direction tag onto the stream. If the flow is in either direction, depending on rainfall, fixme is not going to work, unless you speak to the Diety of Your Choice. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] SES Station
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: Does anyone have a suitable picture of a SES station so it can be used on the wiki? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Emergency probably do. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Nick Hocking wrote: I can check Yass on Friday, as the Department of Health and Ageing is paying me to drive that way again. Thanks Liz, that'd be great. I'll bet a virtual $5.00 that there will still be no signposts but maybe you can find some corroborating evidence that I've missed. For some reason the two down near the river ( maybe-Warrambaluah and maybe-riley) have always irked me to be still unamed in OSM. No signs for the two streets by the river or the street by the Country Energy Depot Maybe I'll have to go into the Council Office, which it seems I haven't mapped either I found new street(s) off Grand Junction Road took a photo of the clear sign and have a clear photo of the dirt on the car side window instead. A trawl of the real estate sites hasn't provided the street name so I'll try Council minutes next ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wagga Wagga Airport
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: It looks like it's half a military airfield and half a commercial airport and I've sort of split it up with a couple of relations but I'm not entirely sure what I've done accurately describes the situation. Is anyone familiar with Wagga airport able to comment further on the situation? There is an area which is a air force base areas which are general aviation stuff shared air traffic control and runways been inside the base twice but about 10 years ago now ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: I don't think this kind of thing is Aussie specific and it would be better off being on it's own web page and/or going through the tagging list... I have no idea about similar systems in other countries We could ask? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping a blank spot
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote: And it'll show all the ways that were last edited by that user (yourself in this case). Note that this is a half truth, it doesn't show all the work that's been done. It would be a half truth because some person well known to list readers changed highway=residential to highway=residential maxspeed=50 source=default (or similar) which has altered a lot of last editors ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: The only places I've seen signs vandalised are usually in residential locations, Hoylen and myself spotted one the other day during the mapping party... Because our Council uses surnames of people to name the roads, others with the same surname steal them. My road has no roadsigns at present - all disappeared the same night. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping a blank spot
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Richard Weait wrote: Dear Liz, You said in a recent post to a list that you had mapped what was once a blank spot on the map. Have you seen the OSM History animations from GeoFabrik? http://www.geofabrik.de/gallery/history/index.html If the area that you mapped is not in a current animation, you might ask them to add it. I made an animation a couple of years ago, and probably still have a copy. What is now needed pictorially is the difference with and without my edits. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Nick Hocking wrote: Streets without names are highlighted in red. I only see about 3 for Yass, and 1 in Gundaroo. Thanks Steve. The last 3 or 4 times I've checked Yass, those 3 have had no street signs and there were no other indications of what name they were. Still it's been a few months since I drove out to Yass so maybe it's due up again, just in case thay decide to signpost the streets nicely. I'm pretty sure that when I tagged Gundaroo, that one street also didn;t have a sign post. I know what all these streets should be called but untill there is some indication on the street itself, I'm not about to infringe copyright by copying them in. However there is one new street in Bungendore (opposite O'Neil Place) that should have a sign post by now. I'll check it on Thursday. Nick I can check Yass on Friday, as the Department of Health and Ageing is paying me to drive that way again. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Nick Hocking wrote: I can check Yass on Friday, as the Department of Health and Ageing is paying me to drive that way again. Thanks Liz, that'd be great. I'll bet a virtual $5.00 that there will still be no signposts but maybe you can find some corroborating evidence that I've missed. For some reason the two down near the river ( maybe-Warrambaluah and maybe-riley) have always irked me to be still unamed in OSM. i'd better check where i am supposed to be checking , then :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODBL yet again, but from a pragmatic approach...
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010, Grant Slater wrote: I used a PD data sets for creating the OSM coastline of Africa. It took me 3 months in 2006. I imagine if for example the much quoted CC-BY coastline of Australia was removed tomorrow it could be rebuilt within a week from new data with community assistance. Yes I am aware there are other CC-BY imported datasets too. This is a vastly simplified view of the world. If the new data was not superior, why did OSM contributors spend months moving from the PGS derived coastline (which also took months to make) to the ABS derived coastline? Why do we want to take better data and then throw it out? My personal survey mapping efforts extend over a vast geographical area. I'd like to be able to show you what the OSM map would look like without this, but there aren't any tools yet available. (One mapper is trying to work one out). My gut feeling is that I have drawn in the main roads, the rivers, the minor roads, and the streets over the major part of a piece of planet Earth. I am not in favour of the licence change, and my work will have to be removed. No one yet can sort out exactly how this will be removed - I don't think that a minor change by me makes it my work, or vice versa. There is still time for compromise. Some people are not in favour of any form of compromise, and insist that their way is the only way. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Possible vandalism
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, David Groom wrote: Hi people I have not been to this area for well over a year, but I thought I had done a bit more than this. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.1192lon=136.3543zoom=14 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.37294lon=136.10252zoom=15 How do I examine these areas to make sure someone has not undone my work, or can someone please have a quick look for me ? Open up the area in Potlatch as if you were going to edit it. The hit the u key, it will show any deleted ways in the area. David Might be my poor memory and not someone else. Looked with Potlatch and no sign of any extra data after pressing 'u' ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 'Restrictive cartography'
On Fri, 9 Jul 2010, Ben Last wrote: As a slightly different tack, criminals are now using cheap GPS jammers when ripping off trucks with valuable loads to defeat the GPS-based tracking-and-reporting. The side effects of a jammer can be considerable, including bringing down cellular phone systems. And, of course, screwing up the GPS tracks of any innocent OSM mappers nearby... I've seen them on sale from US when searching ebay and similar for gps loggers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] cc-by not compatible with ODBL ?
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Bureaucrats have their own agendas and are most unlikely to want to share property GIS knowledge is power, undiluted and building up your own GIS threatens many systems. I'm a bureaucrat, and whilst I can't speak for all bureaucrats, I'm keen to release data under a CC license simply to reduce my workload. Nick g'day Nick i have met many bureaucrats in Canberra; especially department of health and ageing. That's the mob on whom I base my understanding. It has taken about 2 years to get a report by a government committee published, trying to get it past all the necessary hurdles ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] That license change link
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: would trigger a change over... or there is, but they aren't telling anyone what it is... -- Forwarded message -- From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date: 7 July 2010 04:23 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] That license change link To: Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz On 7 July 2010 03:56, Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: - When enough contributors have agreed, we cut over to licensing the current database under ODbL, (And a static snapshot of the database is also made forever under CC-BY-SA). If for some reason this event never happens, the fail safe is that licensing of all contributions under CC-BY-SA simply continues. How many is enough? 50%? 95%? This would be one of the reasons I have decided to leave OSMF out of my life in future. I have asked this question too. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] That license change link
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, 80n wrote: Not only is the threshold not specified, but the timescale is also undefined. This is designed to win by attrition. No matter how slow the uptake eventually the CC-BY-SA content will be insignificant. 80n Now imagine the scenario of yet another licence and contributor terms alteration and ongoing content under another licence and so on ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] State Of Country Posters - Deadline 8/07/2010 10AM
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Ben Kelley wrote: I think we are struggling to know how to make one. - Ben. On 8 July 2010 06:35, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, the deadline for posters for State Of Country is on 8/07/2010 10am (tomorrow morning). The poster is A1 vertical. An example can be found at the following link: http://dl.free.fr/mcXHIJPi4 It would be good to have a link for it. You can reply to that email. Emilie Laffray I went to Emilie's link and saw writing and white space. I can make white space in any size very quickly, and it doesn't need emailing. seriously, this is winter, no long holidays and everyone is at work or Uni so I guess most of don't have time to make a poster - eithrr to design or research it ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] cc-by not compatible with ODBL ?
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:ODbL/Upcomingoldid=49 7888diff=next I don't think that they are compatible. My experience of law is small and it is an opinion only. Certainly we would have to negotiate with federal and state governments to be sure that the imported stuff (coastline, boundaries, national parks etc) could stay. I've decided to leave the OSMF after a short period of membership because I couldn't see the point in belonging any more. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BMW augmenting gps with inertial navigation
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: BMW has been working on augmenting GPS navigation for some time now, and it took another big step forward in recent weeks with the announcement of its Pathfinder microNavigation system. As the name suggests, that would supplement your basic navigation system with maps and directions for areas not covered by GPS -- a parking lot, for instance -- and it could be continually updated on an as-needed basis, with users able to download so-called microMaps for a specific area before they go on a trip. http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/06/bmws-pathfinder-micronavigation-system-p romises-to-augment-gp/ and from where will they get the information for places out of the way? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Queensland parks, forests and conservation areas
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, John Smith wrote: State forests aren't the same thing as national parks, state forests are government operated logging areas... not necessarily. In NSW it was that state forests had really loose rules about human recreation and national parks had very heavy handed rules so that you could happily picnic and whatever in the state forest everywhere but now the NSW Sparks and Wildfires has taken over the State Forest reserves so now expect fishing to be banned on the river reserves and all fun taken out of life. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ABS data and new license
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010, Franc Carter wrote: Hi, Legal stuff, hurts my brain to the point of making no progress ;-( Does anyone know if the proposed new license is compatible with the ABS license at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/au/ thanks no I don't know the licence asks for attribution but whether the new proposed new system is going to provide appropriate attribution? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Proposal to update weather monitoring_stations using BoM data.
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, John Smith wrote:
On 16 June 2010 21:56, {Tim} m526244+osm...@gmail.com wrote:
In the absence of any objection I intend proceeding with this scheme on
the coming Monday (21st June, 2010).
Can you please update a couple of stations and paste links showing
what you plan to do?
specific request to check hillston airport
Station Details ID: 075032 Name: HILLSTON AIRPORT
and hay airport
Station Details ID: 075019 Name: HAY AIRPORT AWS
as i have found those ones and moved them already
the numbers on the BoM web site are to 2 decimal places only so way out
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Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, John Smith wrote: Can you post any links to where you've seen these fixed barriers referred to anything but jumps? because if you can't prove it to JS you'll be mincemeat on the wiki ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:14 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On trails which horses use, there's often a type of above-ground cattle grid called a cavaletti. Typically, it would consist of about 4 widely-spaced logs across the track at a height of about a half a metre. The idea is that a riderless horse will not cross this (and perhaps escape on to a road). Oh, is *that* what they're for. I have seen one or two of those around, like on a bridleway near Rowville, Vic: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.958364,145.26343z=22t=hnmd=20100416 They're pretty good at stopping mountain bikers too. :) Steve my quick search showed me that motorcyclists were one of their targets ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Ben Last wrote: On 9 June 2010 12:47, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Most aussie maps show dirt roads as a dashed line, but this might upset/confuse the Europeans... Is there no tag for paved with gold? b well we should make one it may have limited use ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NearMap support for OSM editing
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010, Ben Last wrote: On 8 June 2010 14:27, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Do you know about the mapzen editor cloudmade produced? http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/ Yes, we do, and whilst it's an interesting piece of work, it's still too complex for general users (in our humble opinion!). It would also require users to register with CloudMade to use it, and we wouldn't get visibility of their edits (until they came down the feed from OSM). Cheers Ben we had a conversation on one of these lists about what would be wanted in a bog_basic editor once and i think it came down to name and classify a street and add a single point to be a POI, name and classify it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: Each bridge that currently does not have a layer tag would have layer=1 added. That will be incorrect if a bridge crosses a body of water (or other object) that has a layer tag other than zero. Which means some renderers may go from currently rendering something correctly, to rendering it incorrectly as a result of that change. When putting long rivers on the map eg Darling, Bidgee, Lachlan I routinely put the unsurveyed river at layer=-1 when i actually get there and find whether the road has a bridge, a punt or a ford to cross the road, then I do some changes to road and river. So frequently a body of water will have a layer tag other than zero. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, John Henderson wrote: I've gone back to using the genuine AC power supply, with a 230v inverter when I use it in the car. I've got an inverter - use it to charge the battery rather than constant use on the inverter ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Eraina and Richard jenkins wrote: 1. Where is there a tutorial/howto/whatever for Navit. For me it comes up with a blank screen ... and no maps. I did attempt to download some maps for SE Australia ... so, how do I proceed from this point?? you need a suitable conf file I'll send it separately ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Making a Laptop GPS
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Eraina and Richard jenkins wrote: I have in mind a project that involves making my old laptop into a large-screen GPS. Maybe someone on this list can refer me to where this has been mentioned before. My OS of choice is linux, but the laptop will still run winXP, and there will be no continuing internet connection so I am prepared to use the winXP side of things. So far, I have got both gpsdrive and tangogps working separately on the laptop. I have also got a usb gps receiver providing data ... so while I have internet access, I get street maps thru openstreetmaps. However, I want to put say all of NSW onto a large usb card ... and make it the repository ... so that maps will come up on the screen as I wish. Can anyone help with this ... Richard Navit does wonderfully on my eeepc 701 - the original tiny one with the modest sized database for all of australia on a SD card runs on Crunchbang Linux which I find sleek enough for the processor ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian Coastline
On Tue, 25 May 2010, John Smith wrote: On 24 May 2010 21:33, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: the coastline from mgkmap creations. I thought it would be a good exercise to see if relations will help. Error checking doesn't seem to me to be a good idea to use relations, JOSM has a validation checker that should be used for this kind of thing. I also plan to add some coastline national parks that are split at the coastline and plan to use the relations for checking my work. Add a relation if you have a valid reason to use one, like sharing a boundary between sections of land based national park and marine park, but using a relation for error checking seems wrong to me. Because I don't understand What are the disadvantages of using a relation? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] General Observations.
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Liz wrote: There are some difficult ones which relate to Crescent and similar endings. crescent / court / circuit and green / grove If we can't expand it, we should find out. Email the local council and ask for the street name; knock on doors and ask the residents. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging stormwater drain areas?
On Mon, 17 May 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: Incidentally, to make sure I'm understanding what we're talking about, you're talking about an area where water runs *into*, in order to seep into the soil? That would be a retention basin I think, and these drains have exits as far as i understand ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations
On Mon, 17 May 2010, John Smith wrote: The current tagging scheme for doing transponders don't seem to take multiple transponders on the same tower: multiple transponders and transmitters is normal, isn't it? (puts on ham radio hat) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Tue, 18 May 2010, you wrote: On 17 May 2010 20:12, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: multiple transponders and transmitters is normal, isn't it? (puts on ham radio hat) Not always, think older AM radio mast installations, especially in rural areas... that's this http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=8919 careful inspection shows that tower space here has been shared with another install (photo 8918 shows the full height of the tower) around here every mast has heaps of transmitters tower space can be sold for good money a single transmitter on a tower is rare, unless we map these ones http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=8908 which is an automated river height gauge ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:29 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 May 2010 08:04, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: around here every mast has heaps of transmitters tower space can be sold for good money a single transmitter on a tower is rare, unless we map these ones Maybe so, but the data the ACMA released only covers TV and radio stations, it doesn't cover mobile phones and point to point links etc... The original data source contains all those kinds of things: http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/site_proximity.nearby_sites_list?pMODE=DM SpLAT=-35.13873086pLONG=149.17643464 It would be nice to see the whole dataset released, especially since the map viewer on the site isn't compatible with Google Chrome. It usually costs you $114/year on CDROM so probably not going to happen too soon. Interesting, lists commercial licencees only ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations
On Tue, 18 May 2010, John Smith wrote: On 18 May 2010 09:35, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: The original data source contains all those kinds of things: http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/site_proximity.nearby_sites_list?pMODE= DMSpLAT=-35.13873086pLONG=149.17643464 It would be nice to see the whole dataset released, especially since the map viewer on the site isn't compatible with Google Chrome. It It didn't work for me in Opera 10.53, FF2 or FF3... Maybe it only works in IE6? FF3 or Konqueror was enough to get a listing of the sites close to a given area despite a piece saying xml error ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] vandalism?
on a low zoom map Tasmania now appears as Hampshire haven't got time to check it out ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New gateway motorway bridge duplication
On Sun, 16 May 2010, Andrew Gregory wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:55:18 +0800, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: It's been months now since a new section of the gateway motorway opened and it still hasn't appeared on their maps, and today, or tomorrow at the latest, the gateway motorway bridge opens to traffic. So I'm wondering if we should start a pool on how long before the bridge and other road works ends up on google maps. As a guide to past (er, present) update rates by Google (or their map provider), the Burns Beach Freeway extension here in Perth was opened 2 November 2008: http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnikmt1=googlemaplon=115.75774lat=-3 1.74252zoom=14 We're still waiting... BTW, OSM had the extension rendered the day after! :) well its not finished on its satellite photo so what do you expect? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Border dispute answers erased in time - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/14/2899710.htm -- Advancement in position. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Perth Vandalism Reverted
On Sun, 9 May 2010, Ross Scanlon wrote: All the reverts have been done on the vandalism in the Perth area. Please feel free to correct any errors you may come across. All the reverts are under my username so if they seem in error don't complain to me, I have just spent the better part of the last two days running all the reverts. Thanks for doing that Ross send all complaints to /dev/null naturally ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More General Observations
On Sun, 9 May 2010, Ross Scanlon wrote: Except Tasmania where I don't think I saw a road outside towns that was straight for more than 1k, whereas out the back blocks of Qld etc they go forever. In the 1980s we lived in NWQ, and travelled to Tassie on holidays. We got the impression that the road engineers were paid by the corner. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On Sat, 8 May 2010, John Henderson wrote: There's a very sensible proposal for tagging fords which overcomes the problem of ways tagged as highway=ford not rendering: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ford John H Useful tags layer=* As the road is literally under the waterway, the layer tag should be that of the waterway minus one. would we agree here when the waterway is dry (normal condition to me) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW data sets
On Wed, 5 May 2010, John Smith wrote: Would it be worth, or has anyone, filed petitions for more liberal licensing? we already have the NSWGNB data imported with permission trying to get these would be worthwhile the NPWS estate Wilderness areas but i can't imagine us getting hold of where to look for diamonds for osm ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Abuse
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, Ross Scanlon wrote: Done and Done, Response from osm I've put a block on him with a message he will need to read before he can edit again. I suggest we wait to see if that prompts him to get in touch before we embark on a revert. Cheers Ross any further news?? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Abuse
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Ross Scanlon wrote: Nothing yet, according to the wiki it will be five days before anything further so I'll chase it up on thursday (won't be here wednesday). Thanks for that update Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
On Sun, 2 May 2010, David Murn wrote: Aussie tagging guidelines say (and Ive checked, no wikifiddling of this part for over 12 months): even this had to be restored back then somebody decided that we shouldn't have any Australian notes on roundabouts and removed the paragraph, put in a link to the main roundabouts page instead and marked it up with stop balkanisation of the wiki There are some places where splitter islands have been drawn in. If they are drawn from gps in a big city the island size is less than the accuracy of the trace - so it is supposition. Drawn from decent aerial photography, like we have now they could be accurate. I don't see them as worthwhile on the map, that they add unnecessary detail which doesn't add to the usefulness of the map. For those who are reproducing Planet Earth in her entirety they would need to be mapped. I can find those mappers plenty of other mapping work to keep them occupied. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, Steve Bennett wrote:
I don't know about everyone else, but I see the tagging there as a
pretty normal shortcut. I've done the same thing myself. New housing
developments often contain dozens of roundabouts. Better to tag them
as mini_roundabout than not to tag them at all. And since, in potlatch
at least, you can tag a mini_roundabout with one click and one
keypress ('r') — compared to probably at least a dozen clicks for a
full roundabout — it seems worth it.
Steve, you draw out one roundabout.
You copy and paste that roundabout all through the housing estate.
Now you draw the lines which connect them to make the roads.
Easier.
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Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Richard Colless wrote: Liz wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Ben Kelley wrote: This is currently a real roundabout in OSM, but local knowledge tells me that it is impossible to go around more than about 90 degrees 270 degrees at this intersection. That is, from any approach, you can turn left or right. For most vehicles, the roundabout is not big enough to go back the way you came (180 degrees). 360 degrees just being picky No, 180 degrees. If a vehicle makes a 360 degree turn, it continues on its original direction. Just being really picky! no, we are discussing different things one is degrees of arc travelled around a circular object the second is the effect of turning on a object on the same spot ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote: More tiny roundabouts... http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-36.784522,144.34539z=21t=hnmd=20100130 http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-36.781026,144.34619z=22t=hnmd=20100130 JS can you give me leads on the local Council and I'll see what I can find out from meeting minutes and so on. The other thing - what sort of a roundabout sign is put up at the roundabout? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Wikifiddling
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tips_especially_for_Aussies has been marked by (a nonAussie) This page has been suggested for clean-up. Please Discuss. that was dated 02/10/09 It was my first rearrangement of the wiki there is a claim on the 'discuss' link that many of them are not entirely correct this might be because things are outdated some of our pages have been subsumed into other wiki pages and then a redirect put on, so the Aussie page on why to use Yahoo, and why to use Landsat has been replaced with a page about making your own photos and mentioning the Gaza strip I think that we need to put our stuff on our own wiki. What does the owner of openstreetmap.com.au think of copying our Aussie wiki pages elsewhere so that writing intended for Australian readers is not removed in favour of internationalised stuff? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Abuse
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote: As best I can tell someone is screwing about: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.86983lon=116.0088zoom=15layers=B00 0FTF First it was a primary Chloe Thurkle Highway, then it upgraded to a trunk road and called Charlie Sheen Highway, and while some parts of that way actually do exists, but not where I've given the location above And Chloe Thurkle Drive reappears further down the road, lining the river to the West, as a trunk road then becomes Simon Barber Drive so when it finishes loading, I think we'll have all the names of the vandals friends ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the crux of this argument really comes down to people complaining because Garmin's don't do something meaningful with the information, and I'm guessing those that don't care either way or think mini roundabouts are valid don't have a Garmin. That is a secondary argument. The first one stands, that mini-roundabouts are unAustralian and should be banned. Some whisper that they have seen a painted roundabout on the road, but whether this is a roundabout is not for us to know - according to the Road Rulez it ain't a roundabout. They are very rare, and perhaps we should draw them out as roundabouts anyway. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Ben Kelley wrote: This is currently a real roundabout in OSM, but local knowledge tells me that it is impossible to go around more than about 90 degrees 270 degrees at this intersection. That is, from any approach, you can turn left or right. For most vehicles, the roundabout is not big enough to go back the way you came (180 degrees). 360 degrees just being picky ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Ben Kelley wrote: Hi. Although I know this issue has probably been done to death, I wonder if it is true that there is any difference from a routing point of view between a roundabout and a mini roundabout. Is that a significant difference though? You could easily and legally go back the way you came on a motorbike. If you were driving a semi-trailer the roundabout would need to be MUCH bigger before it wasn't mini from a routing point of view. so you could do this with relations to say that hgv can't turn 360 and car can't turn 360 actually it would be an art form to get a long vehicle to do a left hand turn there as well The Germans happily categorised on German wikipedia mini medium and large roundabouts we talked once before about a micro-roundabout as a different term I can't see from the shadows if that intersection has a concrete button in the centre, but i suspect so ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
http://www.billiau.net/osm/roundabouts.pdf is what I researched last time in the last paragraphs no, my Garmin does not respect a roundabout-on-a-node, I was mistaken ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Richard Colless wrote: John Smith wrote: On 25 April 2010 00:33, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: This is definitely not a mini_roundabout even if we had such in Australia which has previously been agreed we don't have them. I wasn't in on that discussion. If we don't have them in Australia, then what are they? I always thought they were those piddling little things where councils were too stingy to do anything more than paint a circle on the road. Every so often I correct ones that are obviously a bit more than that. Richard we don't have them legally they don't exist in the australian road rules and some mappers claim to have seen them but i haven't seen one yet ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote: But why mark it incorrectly in the first place? a) People are lazy b) Person mapping forgot it was a round about and not a normal intersection when they map from GPS traces c) I'm sure I thought up a third reason at some point. c) it's a preset in JOSM and too easy to use ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Ross Scanlon wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:10:31 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: To me a proper roundabout has 3 or more entrances/exits, otherwise it's just a traffic calming device, at the end of a road it's a turning circle... Exactly. The other items I've been noticing in tagwatch are: Go CArt Track=monument Communications Tower=Optus, Telstra, etc These are just a couple of examples but there are/were a number of others, I've fixed some of them. They are never going to be shown on a map because of how the renderers work. are they Potlatch or JOSM or Merkaartor users? we could do an Australian version of JOSM, don't know about Potlatch It would take time for someone who enjoys minutiae ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] There is a new version of Nokia Sports Tracker and it uses OSM
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, Christoph Donges wrote: It's available on the ovi store for n97 and 5800 at least. I have used Sports Tracker on my old n95 for all my osm traces and now they are overlaying on the same maps that I helped create. How cool is that? cool unless they are downloading tiles and the app gets a black-ban for overuse of resources http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Service Stations Imported?
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote: On 13 April 2010 19:39, Neal Schulz neal.sch...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi, I have made contact - I hope they understand english. They seem to be german though I don't know - that's my best guess, not being a linguist at all. Judging by edits he might, there has been a large number of roads named: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4341783?way_page=3 I haven't been to Crystal Brook for nearly 30 years, but I have done some quick checking on the 'net. Young Husband Terrace should be Younghusband Terrace, but some was renamed Quote from the Council minutes of 23rd January 2008 www.pirie.sa.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/OM230108.pdf Proposed Name Change of Portion of Younghusband Terrace, Crystal Brook MOVED Cr Devlin SECONDED Cr Legg That the portion of Younghusband Terrace, Crystal Brook, between Railway Terrace and Eyre Road, be remained Kendrew Terrace. CARRIED sorry to whoever has done this, but the veracity of the information is in doubt. I started off looking at Old Pricess Highway, because of the typo ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Service Stations Imported?
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Liz wrote: sorry to whoever has done this, but the veracity of the information is in doubt. I started off looking at Old Pricess Highway, because of the typo I have checked other online maps Whereis, who are usually more accurate have Younghusband, as do the Council, and no Old Pricess Highway, but Gadd Avenue Google has Younghusband, Old Princes Highway and Gadd Avenue and FIVE Talbots Road (worth a check, Crystal Brook, SA) OSM suddenly has the same street names as Google for many streets, and a few interesting streets which have new names Very high odds that copying has occurred from Google Maps, except for the series of errors made in the process. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk] User staehler has been duplicating data from google maps
---BeginMessage--- John, the user has replied, apologised, and asked for help in reverting several of his change sets. I will revert the following changesets for him unless beaten by the .au team: #4341783 #4341031 #4339058 #4338519 #4332119 #4330945 #4330174 #4330103 Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ---End Message--- ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Lonely Planet
I bought a Lonely Planet book of Oz today. I thought that I would use it for POIs - to try and put things on the map that are in the guidebook, as this would make OSM more attractive to tourists. I'm not starting at A and continuing to Z - just the places which I visit as I travel around (preferably paid). Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010, David Murn wrote: The M4 motorway has just ceased to be a toll road (a few weeks ago), but as far as I know, there are no plans to change its numerical description. I was under the impression that road number designations were moving TOWARDS the Mx (plus A/B/C) standard, not away from it. certainly there is now an M1 sign on the Hume Highway, just south of the Illawarra Highway turnoff, and it still costs zilch. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote: On 10 April 2010 17:42, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: certainly there is now an M1 sign on the Hume Highway, just south of the Illawarra Highway turnoff, and it still costs zilch. 1 or 31? M31 http://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/Special/MAB/317-thumb.jpg I think I was tired sorry the thumbnail is hopeless http://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/Special/MAB/317.jpg ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] yarrawonga
months ago someone was noting that if there was OSM of yarrawonga he could get people interested in using it. now nearmap imagery has been done and the streets are on the map courtesy of an army of tracers a few street names and some POIs will complete the job. Never dreamed we'd make these advances this quickly ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Dirranbandi imagery is now online
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010, John Smith wrote: It looks like things were a little more prepared in Dirranbandi for flooding, it doesn't look like any houses in the town were flooded. http://www.nearmap.com/?q=dirranba...@-28.584522,148.224792ll=-28.561909,1 48.187542z=13t=knmd=20100310 that quantity of water looks really impressive ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Incorrectly expanding abbreviations
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Ben Kelley wrote: While I don't think it's particularly necessary to expand abbreviations for names (or contract for that matter), I certainly don't think it is invalid to do so. They are individual It is necessary to find out what the correct designation is for each case There are no generalisations. any other way to say this? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] A problem area (maybe) for the someone in Canberra
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010, Simon Biber wrote: From: John Henderson snow...@gmx.com I live in Canberra and noticed the same thing some time ago. I haven't found an excuse yet to visit the specific area. But the history seems to indicate that it could be legit: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/16165199/history GPS trace of someone severely lost in the forest :-) Don't see how it could possibly be a cycleway track as tagged. Perhaps it's best to just delete it. There are some cuttings which could be traced from NearMap though. Regards Simon If a lot of free cover, it could be a poor GPS tracing. Needs resurvey. Have we asked the original mapper and got his/her information on the track? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] water crisis on Fleurieu Peninsula
http://osm.org/go/uFluFCui-- something has gone wrong with Myponga Reservoir ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Incorrectly expanding abbreviations
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, John Smith wrote: On 10 March 2010 22:24, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: If you are correcting the bank name, it is actually St.George - includes the full stop, but no spaces. Check their website. I'll have to find a branch locally and see what's on their signs... http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=5505 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Trunk roads in central Australia
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010, Kevin Ruth Sheather wrote: If it is of interest, I will be travelling over a substantial proportion of these roads around midyear and intend to run GPS tracks to check alignment and record road conditions with a view to updating OSM. I intend to add road houses and other items of tourist interest. Kevin Of course it is of interest - enjoy the holiday ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] more broken boundaries
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010, John Smith wrote: On 7 March 2010 06:33, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: e.g. Make a wiki page with the suburb boundaries for an area with a link to one of the boundary checkers. That would involve a lot of work, there are a couple of other options, in any case we need to know all the OSM IDs, then we can make a script that cycles them all through a script that checks for broken boundaries. Alternatively we could have a script that checks the changeset files for changes to relations. In either case this still doesn't prevent accidents. Nothing will prevent accidents But automated checking well thought out and implemented will allow us to automatically email the 'offender' and also a number of OSMers who are happy to look at and check those edits. Long term time saver ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] more broken boundaries
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010, Neil Penman wrote: One of the attached changesets indicates that the purpose was to separate administrative boundaries from roads, whereas recently I have been tagging administrative boundaries with keys for highways or waterways that follow the same course. Is there a consensus on the right way to go on this? I can't claim a consensus but I do not reuse the nodes of an admin boundary for a road. Roads do change at the whim of the local council as they realign corners etc. It also makes editing the roads difficult - and here it makes it hard for a new user to edit the road without breaking the admin boundary. I do reuse the nodes for waterways because they are far more accurate than anything I can achieve for a river off Landsat imagery, and I have no other means of mapping the waterways in western NSW. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Overland Track added
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, John Henderson wrote: My old man's a surveyor so I've played chainman plenty of times too. These days it's less about the chain and more about carrying the prism to the benchmark and to each spot. You don't expect the surveyor to do the walking, do you? It was a surveyor I met in the field recently who told me that the chainman job had been abolished. I didn't ask her how she cuts down the trees that are in the way. It's called fieldhand now. As a fieldhand my son has bogged the ute sorry as a fieldhand he has dug all the holes with a crowbar and hammered in the pegs. Someone still has to do the hard work He is now qualified but still looking for a job. He talks about mm accuracy, not a few centimetres. (Of course, in the 19th century, there were some very famous surveying mistakes) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] CC-BY-A data released for Victoria
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Roy Wallace wrote: Another possibility (that I much prefer) is that the available data is used in the same was as, say, aerial imagery - i.e. not bulk imported, but used directly and interactively by mappers. This is why I think John is wrong to be protective of data that could be useful - I see it as analogous to being protective of, say, aerial imagery. The data isn't John's, so I wouldn't call it 'protective' but 'cautious'. IF the list discusses the ins and outs and decides for importing that is fine - but this time JS has decided to wait for the list to talk about it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] answers to difficult questions
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ian Callahan wrote: John Smithdeltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: options as well, the only major nuclear accident was due to Russian [management] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident the japanese have had a go as well ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hiking tracks: foot=yes or foot=designated?
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010, Jim Croft wrote: The question should be, does the European convention make sense in the Australian context. If it sort of does then it would be sensible to use it rather than invent a new one. If it doesn't, go for it... and deal with the headache of sorting out the international compromises later. so we should seriously consider using a different convention. what are the canadians doing? let's ask Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Overmapping?
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, Roy Wallace wrote: but clutter the map display, especially on GPS units. With three times as much nodes per meter of the street(the actual road + 2 footways), data processing and editing is getting ever more resource hungry. This, on the other hand, may well be true. But IMHO this is NOT a reason to limit what gets entered into the OSM database, but simply to *pre-process* the OSM data (filtering out unwanted details as desired) prior to loading onto the GPS unit. i agree. perhaps a cyclist would want the roads removed for some styles of map ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Overland Track added
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: Hi all, I've added the Overland Track* and all the major side trips: http://osm.org/go/uDrl4bT (scroll down to see the full thing) That includes the ascents of Cradle Mountain, Barn Bluff, Lake Will, Old Pelion Hut, Mt Oakleigh (about 3/4 of it), the waterfalls near Du Cane Hut, Mt Ossa, the Acropolis and Labyrinth Lookout. There are a few gaps in the trace when I forgot to restart the GPS after a break. Most of the gaps are pretty short, and the weakest area is around the waterfalls. Can't wait till it shows up here: http://osm.lonvia.de/world_hiking.html?zoom=13lat=-41.7011lon=145.94805l ayers=FFBT Steve * A hiking trail from near Cradle Mountain to the southern end of Lake St Clair, in Tasmania. but did you have a good time? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Overland Track added
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, John Henderson wrote: Can't wait till it shows up here: http://osm.lonvia.de/world_hiking.html?zoom=13amp;lat=-41.7011amp;lon=1 45.94805amp;layers=FFBT On past performances, it'll be rendered as a route early Monday morning (updated every 24 hours). It's there now, although there is a bit of feet wetting to do in the southern Lake (Lake St Clair?) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tram stops and routes for Melbourne
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote: On 19 February 2010 10:10, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Andy Botting a...@andybotting.com wrote: The Director would however approve the release of the data provided the usual terms of our licence agreement were in place. They clearly just don't get it hey... Well they are aware of cc-by, so that's a good first start, now to get them to look at using cc-by for a license on the data is the next step... They are bureaucrats, and can't be seen to be falling out of line or making a new decision. I confess to some understanding of the processes and suggest a snail mail to the appropriate Minister, asking him / her to authorise the release under the cc-by licence. Include the copy of the [refusal] sorry, reply received already ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] answers to difficult questions
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, David Murn wrote: Youve got a GPS, all you need is a compass, pen/paper and a little bit of high-school maths. My high school maths is gone many years ago But the suggestion is quite correct. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] local chapter stuff
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote: For those interested, here's the current draft released this evening: http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/OSM_Local_Chapters_Draft_v0_3.pdf My concerns about this still haven't been addressed and it doesn't look like it will happen so I won't be at this stage pursuing any form of a local chapter in Australia, there is still a need for a local entity so I'll focus my efforts on getting that finalised once I tweak things based on some suggestions Brendon made a while back. I wrote a note about this draft, decided it could be libellous and haven't posted it publically. I'll merely say that if they are the terms, I wouldn't be able to join the local chapter. I have let my membership of OSMF lapse deliberately and removed that logo from my wiki page already. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] answers to the difficult questions
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote: I have seen a lot of effulent dump points for caravans that are on their own, the other types of waste are usually handled by a recycling centre, and tagging what types of waste those centres will handle is probably useful as well: http://www.moretonbay.qld.gov.au/living.aspx?id=846 In my opinion it would be a bit tidier without the waste tag, and have extra amenity tag options. Yes and look at how many amenity tags there are, and growing, I think a little grouping wouldn't hurt things. This week's one in Hay is outside Hay Recycling Centre It's all recycled, but I wouldn't want to be taking any greywater for disposal to any Recycling Centre. I believe its actually dumped into the town sewerage system which in the Murrumbidgee means it is all going to be recycled into drinking water for Adelaide after we've used it 10 more times. I presume that the system is mainly required by tourists - and while it is an amenity like a toilet block it does have a restricted clientele. come on guys - suggestions for Mens Shed required too ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] answers to the difficult questions
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010, Darrin Smith wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:32:42 +1100 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I believe its actually dumped into the town sewerage system which in the Murrumbidgee means it is all going to be recycled into drinking water for Adelaide after we've used it 10 more times. And will probably improve the quality of the water here anyway ;) the main problem is that we get Canberra's p*** in the water first before we even get it ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
