Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." specifically motor bikes

2021-10-29 Thread osm.talk-au 
With the caveat that the access tags should reflect legal basis of access, not 
physical suitability or actual usage.

 

If the path in question is not legally allowed for motorcycle, then don’t tag 
motorcycle=yes, even if it’s physically possible and people (illegally) use it 
that way.

 

If you want to indicate that a path or track is physically not wide enough for 
larger vehicles, just tag width=* (to specify the width of the path on the 
ground) or maxwidth:physical=* (to specify the maximum physical width of a 
vehicle that fits through) on it (but not maxwidth=*, as that implies that 
there is a legally defined limit).

 

While not widely used, you might also use access tags with :physical suffix, 
e.g. motorcycle=no + motorcycle:physical=yes

 

Cheers,

Thorsten

 

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick  
Sent: Saturday, 30 October 2021 12:17
To: EON4wd 
Cc: ianst...@iinet.net.au; OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." specifically motor 
bikes

 

I would have thought highway=track would have been good, but that page is quite 
adamant that a "track" is for 4-wheel vehicles, & anything smaller is supposed 
to be a highway=path.

 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dtrack#use_for_narrow_paths

 

They also say that specifying motor-bike, but not car is done via access=*, but 
don't suggest just how!

 

I'm guessing highway=path + motor_vehicle=no + motorcycle=yes?

 

Thanks

 

Graeme

 

 

On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 at 11:46, EON4wd mailto:i...@eon4wd.com.au> > wrote:

That would be logical, but motor bikes are classified as a vehicle and are the 
only ones using this ‘path’ which ends up being mapped as a track via the 
satellite picture.

Path does not imply motor bikes. 

Legally it is allowed to be used as a path, but motor vehicles are not allowed.

The motor bike tracks would be difficult to use as a walking track and also for 
a bicycle.

If the tracks were reclassified as a path, it would at least show something 
that is on the ground plus also imply that it is not allowed for vehicles.

What if the motor bike track is legal, how would you then classify the track if 
it is not wide enough for any car?

Thanks Ian

 

From: ianst...@iinet.net.au <mailto:ianst...@iinet.net.au>  
mailto:ianst...@iinet.net.au> > 
Sent: Saturday, 30 October 2021 11:11 AM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National 
Park)

 

I’ve always mapped a track that’s not wide-enough for a vehicle as a path.

 

Ian

 

 

Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 10:19:36 +1100

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Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in   Nerang

National Park)

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>>Question ? how to map a track that is only wide enough for a motor bike. 
>>There is a track width tag but it doesn?t seem appropriate. 

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Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." specifically motor bikes

2021-10-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick 
I would have thought highway=track would have been good, but that page is
quite adamant that a "track" is for 4-wheel vehicles, & anything smaller is
supposed to be a highway=path.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dtrack#use_for_narrow_paths

They also say that specifying motor-bike, but not car is done via access=*,
but don't suggest just how!

I'm guessing highway=path + motor_vehicle=no + motorcycle=yes?

Thanks

Graeme


On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 at 11:46, EON4wd  wrote:

> That would be logical, but motor bikes are classified as a vehicle and are
> the only ones using this ‘path’ which ends up being mapped as a track via
> the satellite picture.
>
> Path does not imply motor bikes.
>
> Legally it is allowed to be used as a path, but motor vehicles are not
> allowed.
>
> The motor bike tracks would be difficult to use as a walking track and
> also for a bicycle.
>
> If the tracks were reclassified as a path, it would at least show
> something that is on the ground plus also imply that it is not allowed for
> vehicles.
>
> What if the motor bike track is legal, how would you then classify the
> track if it is not wide enough for any car?
>
> Thanks Ian
>
>
>
> *From:* ianst...@iinet.net.au 
> *Sent:* Saturday, 30 October 2021 11:11 AM
> *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang
> National Park)
>
>
>
> I’ve always mapped a track that’s not wide-enough for a vehicle as a path.
>
>
>
> Ian
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> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 10:19:36 +1100
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> From: "EON4wd" 
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> To: 
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> Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in
> Nerang
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> >>Question ? how to map a track that is only wide enough for a motor bike.
> There is a track width tag but it doesn?t seem appropriate.
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Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." specifically motor bikes

2021-10-29 Thread EON4wd 
That would be logical, but motor bikes are classified as a vehicle and are
the only ones using this 'path' which ends up being mapped as a track via
the satellite picture.

Path does not imply motor bikes. 

Legally it is allowed to be used as a path, but motor vehicles are not
allowed.

The motor bike tracks would be difficult to use as a walking track and also
for a bicycle.

If the tracks were reclassified as a path, it would at least show something
that is on the ground plus also imply that it is not allowed for vehicles.

What if the motor bike track is legal, how would you then classify the track
if it is not wide enough for any car?

Thanks Ian

 

From: ianst...@iinet.net.au  
Sent: Saturday, 30 October 2021 11:11 AM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang
National Park)

 

I've always mapped a track that's not wide-enough for a vehicle as a path.

 

Ian

 

 

Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 10:19:36 +1100

From: "EON4wd" mailto:i...@eon4wd.com.au> >

To: mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >

Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in
Nerang

National Park)

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>>Question ? how to map a track that is only wide enough for a motor bike.
There is a track width tag but it doesn?t seem appropriate. 

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