Re: [talk-au] Audible fences
On 1/8/21 7:09 pm, Bob Cameron wrote: Hi Warin Stock or pest control barriers that are somewhat replacing (and sometimes doubling up on) road cattle grids. The ones I have mapped commonly comprise a fence line very close to (both sides of) the road edge of maybe 5-10m length and parallel, then two audible sonalert boxes (often with a solar panel/supply) at one end, or middle off the close in fence. The boxes are usually mounted on poles less than a metre high but I have seen some attached to the fence hardware. I'd map the fence, if it exists, separately. One physical object = one OSM entry... Of course like many things the mapper may cose to simply not map that but map the audio thing. Some confining fence lines I have seen are angled rather than parallel. Any stock or pest that wants to wander through gets channelled onto the narrower road between the fences then blasted with sound when it gets within maybe 5 metres. Vehicles also set off the alarms from perhaps 20-30m away. Some (less than 10%?) of the barriers have sound warning signs. In terms of a driving hazard there is the quite loud high frequency sound and no road shoulder at the barrier. Since they are becoming more and more common I'd like to see the consensus placed in the Aus taglines wiki Agreed! barrier=audio or some such as a node. Easiest to map as a node on the road. More work to map as a node at the location of each device. which would be to the side of the road and not on it. barrier:for=animal would make it clear to non ozie mappers. Extra fluff with other tags like frequency=*, brand=* etc etc. I wonder how cattle on cattle trucks handle it? Could leave a lot of effluent on the departure sides. Cheers On 1/8/21 5:32 pm, Warin wrote: On 31/7/21 8:59 am, Bob Cameron wrote: Info only barrier=fence sensory=audible ie the squeaking screeching fences that supposedly replace cattle grids. I asked for input some months ago on how to map. With the recent ID editor update there is now a warning that a fence has to be a line, even though it is placed on the road. The OSM wiki also claims a fence must be a line. What physically is this 'screeching fence'? Is it in the middle of the road like a cattle grid, or along the edge of the road? A single pole with the device on it? Or is it 2 poles on opposite sides of the road with devices mounted one them? Or is it a series of poles along both sides of the road with devices on them? While for simplicity using a node on the road is good for the mapper it is not good for the data consumer when used as a 'fence'. I would think it is more of a different kind of 'cattle grid'. If you want something that 'works' then use barrier=cattle_grid with method=acoustic, assuming this will be used instead of a cattle grid and possibly a replacement in future ... square peg in a round hole. Or come up with something new barrier=animal method=acoustic ??? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Audible fences
On 1/8/21 7:25 pm, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au wrote: Aug 1, 2021, 09:48 by fors...@ozonline.com.au: What physically is this 'screeching fence'? Is it in the middle of the road like a cattle grid, or along the edge of the road? A single pole with the device on it? Or is it 2 poles on opposite sides of the road with devices mounted one them? Or is it a series of poles along both sides of the road with devices on them? Hi Warin There is more than one way to implement virtual fencing The one near me https://www.wildlifesafetysolutions.com.au/ Is a series of poles along both sides of the road with devices on them, though it could be one side Tony Then barrier=fence is really unsuitable - as it is not a barrier at all for human and is unlike other barrier=fence despite using similar name I'd not place the qualifier on a fence being a human barrier, what if the fence is 0.6 meters high? I would advise against using barrier=fence for them Even barrier=audible_fence would be better. Maybe something completely different barrier=audible or barrier=sensoric (???) (AFAIK also light is sometimes used) I'd not use fence even as an extension. barrier=audio ? And for one using light alone barrier=light? For one using both light and audio barrier-audio_and_light ? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Audible fences
Aug 1, 2021, 09:48 by fors...@ozonline.com.au: >> >> What physically is this 'screeching fence'? >> >> >> Is it in the middle of the road like a cattle grid, or along the edge >> of the road? >> >> A single pole with the device on it? >> >> Or is it 2 poles on opposite sides of the road with devices mounted one them? >> >> Or is it a series of poles along both sides of the road with devices on them? >> > > Hi Warin > There is more than one way to implement virtual fencing > The one near me https://www.wildlifesafetysolutions.com.au/ > Is a series of poles along both sides of the road with devices on them, > though it could be one side > > Tony > Then barrier=fence is really unsuitable - as it is not a barrier at all for human and is unlike other barrier=fence despite using similar name I would advise against using barrier=fence for them Even barrier=audible_fence would be better. Maybe something completely different barrier=audible or barrier=sensoric (???) (AFAIK also light is sometimes used) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Audible fences
Hi Warin Stock or pest control barriers that are somewhat replacing (and sometimes doubling up on) road cattle grids. The ones I have mapped commonly comprise a fence line very close to (both sides of) the road edge of maybe 5-10m length and parallel, then two audible sonalert boxes (often with a solar panel/supply) at one end, or middle off the close in fence. The boxes are usually mounted on poles less than a metre high but I have seen some attached to the fence hardware. Some confining fence lines I have seen are angled rather than parallel. Any stock or pest that wants to wander through gets channelled onto the narrower road between the fences then blasted with sound when it gets within maybe 5 metres. Vehicles also set off the alarms from perhaps 20-30m away. Some (less than 10%?) of the barriers have sound warning signs. In terms of a driving hazard there is the quite loud high frequency sound and no road shoulder at the barrier. Since they are becoming more and more common I'd like to see the consensus placed in the Aus taglines wiki Cheers On 1/8/21 5:32 pm, Warin wrote: On 31/7/21 8:59 am, Bob Cameron wrote: Info only barrier=fence sensory=audible ie the squeaking screeching fences that supposedly replace cattle grids. I asked for input some months ago on how to map. With the recent ID editor update there is now a warning that a fence has to be a line, even though it is placed on the road. The OSM wiki also claims a fence must be a line. What physically is this 'screeching fence'? Is it in the middle of the road like a cattle grid, or along the edge of the road? A single pole with the device on it? Or is it 2 poles on opposite sides of the road with devices mounted one them? Or is it a series of poles along both sides of the road with devices on them? While for simplicity using a node on the road is good for the mapper it is not good for the data consumer when used as a 'fence'. I would think it is more of a different kind of 'cattle grid'. If you want something that 'works' then use barrier=cattle_grid with method=acoustic, assuming this will be used instead of a cattle grid and possibly a replacement in future ... square peg in a round hole. Or come up with something new barrier=animal method=acoustic ??? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Audible fences
What physically is this 'screeching fence'? Is it in the middle of the road like a cattle grid, or along the edge of the road? A single pole with the device on it? Or is it 2 poles on opposite sides of the road with devices mounted one them? Or is it a series of poles along both sides of the road with devices on them? Hi Warin There is more than one way to implement virtual fencing The one near me https://www.wildlifesafetysolutions.com.au/ Is a series of poles along both sides of the road with devices on them, though it could be one side Tony ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Audible fences
On 31/7/21 8:59 am, Bob Cameron wrote: Info only barrier=fence sensory=audible ie the squeaking screeching fences that supposedly replace cattle grids. I asked for input some months ago on how to map. With the recent ID editor update there is now a warning that a fence has to be a line, even though it is placed on the road. The OSM wiki also claims a fence must be a line. What physically is this 'screeching fence'? Is it in the middle of the road like a cattle grid, or along the edge of the road? A single pole with the device on it? Or is it 2 poles on opposite sides of the road with devices mounted one them? Or is it a series of poles along both sides of the road with devices on them? While for simplicity using a node on the road is good for the mapper it is not good for the data consumer when used as a 'fence'. I would think it is more of a different kind of 'cattle grid'. If you want something that 'works' then use barrier=cattle_grid with method=acoustic, assuming this will be used instead of a cattle grid and possibly a replacement in future ... square peg in a round hole. Or come up with something new barrier=animal method=acoustic ??? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Audible fences
Info only barrier=fence sensory=audible ie the squeaking screeching fences that supposedly replace cattle grids. I asked for input some months ago on how to map. With the recent ID editor update there is now a warning that a fence has to be a line, even though it is placed on the road. Cheers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
