Re: [talk-au] Historic stations and rail

2013-07-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Van Der Meulen
natvan...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I use name=Thompson (disused) as the map user sees immediately that the
 station is no longer in use.  This may not be such a drama where the track
 is out of use as well, but when you map a station out of use on a running
 line if the station appears just like any other station it becomes
 confusing.  This is also consistent with the method used by various map
 makers.

Yeah, that maybe makes sense if a station is temporarily out of use -
can you think of an example? But generally, any renderer that supports
historic:railway=station is going to render it sufficiently
different from railway=station that it's not needed.

The main mapnik style doesn't support historic:railway=station, so
currently it will just disappear - which isn't really such a bad
thing.

PS If you're replying to digest emails, would you mind trimming off
all the other bits? That was quite a wall of text...

Steve

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[talk-au] Historic stations and rail

2013-07-08 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all,
  I've been working on some old train lines and stations, mostly
around Victoria, and have finally settled on a tagging scheme, based
on what's popular in taginfo. The current tagging has been pretty
inconsistent, with lots of variations like railway=station,
disused=yes, railway=station, name=Foo (former),
railway:historic=station, historic:railway=station,
building=station...

Thought I'd check whether anyone has any comments/disagreements:

Active stations (whether tourist, regional, commuter or freight):
railway=station

Disused/abandoned stations, with buildings present:
railway:historic=station

Abandoned, former station site, no buildings, little to see:
railway:historic=station_site

In all cases, the name of the station object should just be, eg, Thompson.
Not: Thompson (former)
Not: Thompson (disused)
Not: Thompson Railway Station

In addition, a station building may be tagged as:
building=station

(But one of the above should also be present - either on the building
polygon or not.)


Active rail (commuter, freight, regional):
railway=rail

Tourist rail
railway=preserved

Disused, but tracks still present and conceivably services could return:
railway=disused

Tracks removed, or state is pretty far gone.
railway=abandoned

Thoughts?

To see where we're at, I've done a quick replica of this well known
rail map of Victoria:
http://i.imgur.com/ohXHwsk.png
http://emscycletours.site44.com/rail.html

Steve

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Re: [talk-au] Historic stations and rail

2013-07-08 Thread Nathan Van Der Meulen
I use name=Thompson (disused) as the map user sees immediately that the station 
is no longer in use.  This may not be such a drama where the track is out of 
use as well, but when you map a station out of use on a running line if the 
station appears just like any other station it becomes confusing.  This is also 
consistent with the method used by various map makers.

Nathan






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Hi all,
  I've been working on some old train lines and stations, mostly
around Victoria, and have finally settled on a tagging scheme, based
on what's popular in taginfo. The current tagging has been pretty
inconsistent, with lots of variations like railway=station,
disused=yes, railway=station, name=Foo (former),
railway:historic=station, historic:railway=station,
building=station...

Thought I'd check whether anyone has any comments/disagreements:

Active stations (whether tourist, regional, commuter or freight):
railway=station

Disused/abandoned stations, with buildings present:
railway:historic=station

Abandoned, former station site, no buildings, little to see:
railway:historic=station_site

In all cases, the name of the station object should just be, eg, Thompson.
Not: Thompson (former)
Not: Thompson (disused)
Not: Thompson Railway Station

In addition, a station building may be tagged as:
building=station

(But one of the above should also be present - either on the building
polygon or not.)


Active rail (commuter, freight, regional):
railway=rail

Tourist rail
railway=preserved

Disused, but tracks still present and conceivably services could return:
railway=disused

Tracks removed, or state is pretty far gone.
railway=abandoned

Thoughts?

To see where we're at, I've done a quick replica of this well known
rail map of Victoria:
http://i.imgur.com/ohXHwsk.png
http://emscycletours.site44.com/rail.html

Steve



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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:56:23 +1030
From: Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au
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Subject: [talk-au] Making Garmin IMG for Bushwalking - Insanity starts
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Hi

In the wonderful vague world that is OSM I am attempting to make maps for my 
Garmin 62s optimized for bushwalking.  I have raised this issue a few time but 
not much luck but decided to be pig headed and not let this beat me as more 
than a few people have become enthusiast about OSM only to become disillusion 
when they actually try to use it in the bush.  We have the excellent site OSM 
Australia that for vehicle users generates very sensibly sized IMG for each 
state.  I use their routeable maps on the Garmin 62s and the 2Km minor roads 
ones on my Fenix and have for a friend loaded them on his Extrex 10.  But they 
do not have contours.  I have obtained and loaded on more than a few Garmins 
the Contour Australia 5M.  Then I overlay the IMG from OSM Australia but 
frankly this is a clumsy solution for many people as the OSM Australian site 
IMG have poor zoom level set for bushwalkers and you do not get colour coded 
elevation shading.

So I have been reading up on mkgmap and struck as usual the standard array of 
Wikipedia entries that go around in circles with the reader needing to make 
numerous assumptions and follow links and at the end of this maze either given 
up or some how figure out what needs to happen.  Then I stumbled across 
http://thebird.nl/tutorials/osm_garmin.html, that while for Linux, explains the 
concepts so light has started to dawn.

My biggest issue is I use Telstra's mobile phone network to connect to the 
internet and this means very expensive data costs.  So I am rather keen