Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-27 Thread Andrew Davidson 

On 27/11/21 12:27, Ewen Hill wrote:


    It might be worthwhile obtaining the standard waver from PBR which 
could confirm the status of the markers as well. As they are not 
standard, perhaps consider adding a few more fields, colour=white, 
source= and if they are all on the telephone poles, perhaps identify 
this as well as man_made=utility_pole, utility=telecom.


I had also pondered if it would be better to map them as poles, with a 
ref tag that has what the sign on the pole says. This would make more 
sense to a member of the general public.




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Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-26 Thread Ewen Hill 
  Hi Kim,
   I don't think these are standard emergency markers as per EMV/ETSA. They
are normally green with white writing with the three letter id and are one
of two specific styles
(this
one is just outside Mansfield). Whilst the local fire brigades and Belgrave
/ Emerald ambulance stations may have local instructions, I don't think
these are generally available on all emergency services platforms. These
appear to be more internal references for PBR and at eight locations per km
approximately, they are significantly more densely packed than any other
emergency marker identifier.

   It might be worthwhile obtaining the standard waver from PBR which could
confirm the status of the markers as well. As they are not standard,
perhaps consider adding a few more fields, colour=white, source= and if
they are all on the telephone poles, perhaps identify this as well as
man_made=utility_pole, utility=telecom.

This is a good exercise and I hope you are not deterred.

and this is a trestle bridge!
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-37.74395556=148.0465833=17=4226447237419785=photo

Ewen


On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 22:12, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <
talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 26/11/21 9:09 pm, Andrew Davidson wrote:
> > On 26/11/21 18:48, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> The markers were installed by the railway, and are maintained by the
> >> railway. They are pole numbers attached to each telegraph pole along
> >> the railway.
> >
> > So they are pole reference numbers that are being used as emergency
> > markers?
>
> Yes.
>
> Being used by the Railway and ESTA as emergency markers.
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Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-26 Thread Kim Oldfield via Talk-au 




On 26/11/21 9:09 pm, Andrew Davidson wrote:

On 26/11/21 18:48, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au wrote:

Hi,

The markers were installed by the railway, and are maintained by the 
railway. They are pole numbers attached to each telegraph pole along 
the railway. 


So they are pole reference numbers that are being used as emergency 
markers?


Yes.

Being used by the Railway and ESTA as emergency markers.


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Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-26 Thread Andrew Davidson 

On 26/11/21 18:48, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au wrote:

Hi,

The markers were installed by the railway, and are maintained by the 
railway. They are pole numbers attached to each telegraph pole along the 
railway. 


So they are pole reference numbers that are being used as emergency markers?

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Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-26 Thread Kim Oldfield via Talk-au 

Hi,

On 26/11/21 5:34 pm, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:

Further
If the marker looks the same as the bottom photo of 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point


For an example see

https://photos.app.goo.gl/bcvgcPLYmpU25fQB9

This is PBM010. The marker only has the text "010", and does not include 
the "PBM" prefix used by ESTA.


then the dataset is 
https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28


It should be part of the ESTA data set, but I can't find them in that 
data. I'm assuming ESTA haven't included all emergency markers for 
whatever reason - maybe because they aren't signposted in a way that the 
public would recognise.


Regards,
Kim


Tony


Hi

This subject was discussed in October.
The dataset they are sharing is likely to be
https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28 



and it was determined that we do not have the right licence to use 
this data.


I say likely to be the same dataset, I am fairly sure but no guarantee.

Tony


Are these emergency markers created and maintained by the Puffing Billy
Railway?

If not they might be sharing a dataset with you that they don't have
permission to share for this purpose?

Adam

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 16:24,  
wrote:


Maybe just create a simple page on the wiki describing what you 
intent to
do along with a link to information about the received permission? 
Just to

make it easier to find in the future if there are any concerns.



*From:* Andrew Harvey 
*Sent:* Friday, 26 November 2021 13:46
*To:* Kim Oldfield 
*Cc:* OSM-Au 
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?



That sounds fine to me, this email consulting with the community,
informing of your plan and what steps you've taken is enough in my 
opinion.




I would ask if you could share more information about the 
permission you
obtained? So long as you have sufficient rights to submit the data 
under

the OSM contributor terms.



On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 04:56, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <
talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

Hi,

I have a list of 200 emergency marker locations along 22km of the
Puffing Billy Railway which were provided to me by the railway with
permission to include them in OSM.

I've been reading through https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import -
most of which appears to be geared toward larger imports and using
publicly available data with various licenses. The data for my 
import is
not publicly available, and was provided to me when I asked to 
import it

into OSM.

I've searched overpass-turbo and there are no
highway=emergency_access_points, name~"PBM", or ref~"PBM" near the 
list

of nodes I have to import. This indicates that none of the nodes are
already mapped.

Based on the example file on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM_file_format I've converted 
the

emergency marker list into xml, the start of which looks like:




  
  

...

In JOSM I can import this file and merge the layer. I'm intending to
then upload this with appropriate an comment noting that the data was
provided by Puffing Billy Railway with permission to include it in 
OSM.


I'm proposing to import this as a one off, single change set under my
existing OSM username.

Is this a reasonable way to do this import? Is there anything else I
should do?

Regards,
Kim





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Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-25 Thread Kim Oldfield via Talk-au 

Hi,

The markers were installed by the railway, and are maintained by the 
railway. They are pole numbers attached to each telegraph pole along the 
railway. To help emergency services locate points along the railway 
Puffing Billy provided their location to ESTA with the "PBM" prefix.


As the railway created and maintains them I assume they are allowed to 
give permission for others to use them.


Regards,
Kim

On 26/11/21 4:56 pm, Adam Horan wrote:
Are these emergency markers created and maintained by the Puffing 
Billy Railway?


If not they might be sharing a dataset with you that they don't have 
permission to share for this purpose?


Adam

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 16:24, <mailto:osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au>> wrote:


Maybe just create a simple page on the wiki describing what you
intent to do along with a link to information about the received
permission? Just to make it easier to find in the future if there
are any concerns.

*From:*Andrew Harvey mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com>>
*Sent:* Friday, 26 November 2021 13:46
*To:* Kim Oldfield mailto:o...@oldfield.wattle.id.au>>
*Cc:* OSM-Au mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>>
    *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

That sounds fine to me, this email consulting with the community,
informing of your plan and what steps you've taken is enough in my
opinion.

I would ask if you could share more information about the
permission you obtained? So long as you have sufficient rights to
submit the data under the OSM contributor terms.

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 04:56, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au
mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:

Hi,

I have a list of 200 emergency marker locations along 22km of the
Puffing Billy Railway which were provided to me by the railway
with
permission to include them in OSM.

I've been reading through
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import> -
most of which appears to be geared toward larger imports and
using
publicly available data with various licenses. The data for my
import is
not publicly available, and was provided to me when I asked to
import it
into OSM.

I've searched overpass-turbo and there are no
highway=emergency_access_points, name~"PBM", or ref~"PBM" near
the list
of nodes I have to import. This indicates that none of the
nodes are
already mapped.

Based on the example file on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM_file_format
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM_file_format> I've
converted the
emergency marker list into xml, the start of which looks like:




   
   

...

In JOSM I can import this file and merge the layer. I'm
intending to
then upload this with appropriate an comment noting that the
data was
provided by Puffing Billy Railway with permission to include
it in OSM.

I'm proposing to import this as a one off, single change set
under my
existing OSM username.

Is this a reasonable way to do this import? Is there anything
else I
should do?

Regards,
Kim





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Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-25 Thread forster 

Phil

Good idea, totally off topic but, go to  
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-37.9088066=145.3647858=17=246259583949249=photo and press  
play


you get an animation of Puffing Billy crossing the historic trestle  
bridge at Selby. Sorry I didn't see any markers but someone with more  
download MB might.


Tony


Maybe a slow train ride will capture them on Mapillary?

https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/tastrax?lat=-37.93374758=145.43984216
=17=135923665213980=photo

-Original Message-
From: fors...@ozonline.com.au 
Sent: Friday, 26 November 2021 5:26 PM
To: Adam Horan 
Cc: OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

Hi

This subject was discussed in October.
The dataset they are sharing is likely to be
https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a4
78-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28

and it was determined that we do not have the right licence to use this
data.

I say likely to be the same dataset, I am fairly sure but no guarantee.

Tony


Are these emergency markers created and maintained by the Puffing
Billy Railway?

If not they might be sharing a dataset with you that they don't have
permission to share for this purpose?

Adam

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 16:24,  wrote:


Maybe just create a simple page on the wiki describing what you
intent to do along with a link to information about the received
permission? Just to make it easier to find in the future if there are any

concerns.




*From:* Andrew Harvey 
*Sent:* Friday, 26 November 2021 13:46
*To:* Kim Oldfield 
*Cc:* OSM-Au 
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?



That sounds fine to me, this email consulting with the community,
informing of your plan and what steps you've taken is enough in my

opinion.




I would ask if you could share more information about the permission
you obtained? So long as you have sufficient rights to submit the
data under the OSM contributor terms.



On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 04:56, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <
talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

Hi,

I have a list of 200 emergency marker locations along 22km of the
Puffing Billy Railway which were provided to me by the railway with
permission to include them in OSM.

I've been reading through https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import
- most of which appears to be geared toward larger imports and using
publicly available data with various licenses. The data for my import
is not publicly available, and was provided to me when I asked to
import it into OSM.

I've searched overpass-turbo and there are no
highway=emergency_access_points, name~"PBM", or ref~"PBM" near the
list of nodes I have to import. This indicates that none of the nodes
are already mapped.

Based on the example file on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM_file_format I've converted
the emergency marker list into xml, the start of which looks like:

  
   
 ...

In JOSM I can import this file and merge the layer. I'm intending to
then upload this with appropriate an comment noting that the data was
provided by Puffing Billy Railway with permission to include it in OSM.

I'm proposing to import this as a one off, single change set under my
existing OSM username.

Is this a reasonable way to do this import? Is there anything else I
should do?

Regards,
Kim





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Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-25 Thread Phil Wyatt 
Maybe a slow train ride will capture them on Mapillary?

https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/tastrax?lat=-37.93374758=145.43984216
=17=135923665213980=photo

-Original Message-
From: fors...@ozonline.com.au  
Sent: Friday, 26 November 2021 5:26 PM
To: Adam Horan 
Cc: OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

Hi

This subject was discussed in October.
The dataset they are sharing is likely to be
https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a4
78-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28

and it was determined that we do not have the right licence to use this
data.

I say likely to be the same dataset, I am fairly sure but no guarantee.

Tony

> Are these emergency markers created and maintained by the Puffing 
> Billy Railway?
>
> If not they might be sharing a dataset with you that they don't have 
> permission to share for this purpose?
>
> Adam
>
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 16:24,  wrote:
>
>> Maybe just create a simple page on the wiki describing what you 
>> intent to do along with a link to information about the received 
>> permission? Just to make it easier to find in the future if there are any
concerns.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Andrew Harvey 
>> *Sent:* Friday, 26 November 2021 13:46
>> *To:* Kim Oldfield 
>> *Cc:* OSM-Au 
>> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?
>>
>>
>>
>> That sounds fine to me, this email consulting with the community, 
>> informing of your plan and what steps you've taken is enough in my
opinion.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would ask if you could share more information about the permission 
>> you obtained? So long as you have sufficient rights to submit the 
>> data under the OSM contributor terms.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 04:56, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au < 
>> talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a list of 200 emergency marker locations along 22km of the 
>> Puffing Billy Railway which were provided to me by the railway with 
>> permission to include them in OSM.
>>
>> I've been reading through https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import 
>> - most of which appears to be geared toward larger imports and using 
>> publicly available data with various licenses. The data for my import 
>> is not publicly available, and was provided to me when I asked to 
>> import it into OSM.
>>
>> I've searched overpass-turbo and there are no 
>> highway=emergency_access_points, name~"PBM", or ref~"PBM" near the 
>> list of nodes I have to import. This indicates that none of the nodes 
>> are already mapped.
>>
>> Based on the example file on
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM_file_format I've converted 
>> the emergency marker list into xml, the start of which looks like:
>>
>>   > id="-3" lat="-37.907468" lon="145.36039">
>>
>>  ...
>>
>> In JOSM I can import this file and merge the layer. I'm intending to 
>> then upload this with appropriate an comment noting that the data was 
>> provided by Puffing Billy Railway with permission to include it in OSM.
>>
>> I'm proposing to import this as a one off, single change set under my 
>> existing OSM username.
>>
>> Is this a reasonable way to do this import? Is there anything else I 
>> should do?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kim
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-25 Thread forster 

Further
If the marker looks the same as the bottom photo of  
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point
then the dataset is  
https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28

Tony


Hi

This subject was discussed in October.
The dataset they are sharing is likely to be
https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28

and it was determined that we do not have the right licence to use this data.

I say likely to be the same dataset, I am fairly sure but no guarantee.

Tony


Are these emergency markers created and maintained by the Puffing Billy
Railway?

If not they might be sharing a dataset with you that they don't have
permission to share for this purpose?

Adam

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 16:24,  wrote:


Maybe just create a simple page on the wiki describing what you intent to
do along with a link to information about the received permission? Just to
make it easier to find in the future if there are any concerns.



*From:* Andrew Harvey 
*Sent:* Friday, 26 November 2021 13:46
*To:* Kim Oldfield 
*Cc:* OSM-Au 
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?



That sounds fine to me, this email consulting with the community,
informing of your plan and what steps you've taken is enough in my opinion.



I would ask if you could share more information about the permission you
obtained? So long as you have sufficient rights to submit the data under
the OSM contributor terms.



On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 04:56, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <
talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

Hi,

I have a list of 200 emergency marker locations along 22km of the
Puffing Billy Railway which were provided to me by the railway with
permission to include them in OSM.

I've been reading through https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import -
most of which appears to be geared toward larger imports and using
publicly available data with various licenses. The data for my import is
not publicly available, and was provided to me when I asked to import it
into OSM.

I've searched overpass-turbo and there are no
highway=emergency_access_points, name~"PBM", or ref~"PBM" near the list
of nodes I have to import. This indicates that none of the nodes are
already mapped.

Based on the example file on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM_file_format I've converted the
emergency marker list into xml, the start of which looks like:




  
  

...

In JOSM I can import this file and merge the layer. I'm intending to
then upload this with appropriate an comment noting that the data was
provided by Puffing Billy Railway with permission to include it in OSM.

I'm proposing to import this as a one off, single change set under my
existing OSM username.

Is this a reasonable way to do this import? Is there anything else I
should do?

Regards,
Kim





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2021-11-25 Thread forster 

Hi

This subject was discussed in October.
The dataset they are sharing is likely to be
https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28

and it was determined that we do not have the right licence to use this data.

I say likely to be the same dataset, I am fairly sure but no guarantee.

Tony


Are these emergency markers created and maintained by the Puffing Billy
Railway?

If not they might be sharing a dataset with you that they don't have
permission to share for this purpose?

Adam

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 16:24,  wrote:


Maybe just create a simple page on the wiki describing what you intent to
do along with a link to information about the received permission? Just to
make it easier to find in the future if there are any concerns.



*From:* Andrew Harvey 
*Sent:* Friday, 26 November 2021 13:46
*To:* Kim Oldfield 
*Cc:* OSM-Au 
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?



That sounds fine to me, this email consulting with the community,
informing of your plan and what steps you've taken is enough in my opinion.



I would ask if you could share more information about the permission you
obtained? So long as you have sufficient rights to submit the data under
the OSM contributor terms.



On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 04:56, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <
talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

Hi,

I have a list of 200 emergency marker locations along 22km of the
Puffing Billy Railway which were provided to me by the railway with
permission to include them in OSM.

I've been reading through https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import -
most of which appears to be geared toward larger imports and using
publicly available data with various licenses. The data for my import is
not publicly available, and was provided to me when I asked to import it
into OSM.

I've searched overpass-turbo and there are no
highway=emergency_access_points, name~"PBM", or ref~"PBM" near the list
of nodes I have to import. This indicates that none of the nodes are
already mapped.

Based on the example file on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM_file_format I've converted the
emergency marker list into xml, the start of which looks like:




   
   

...

In JOSM I can import this file and merge the layer. I'm intending to
then upload this with appropriate an comment noting that the data was
provided by Puffing Billy Railway with permission to include it in OSM.

I'm proposing to import this as a one off, single change set under my
existing OSM username.

Is this a reasonable way to do this import? Is there anything else I
should do?

Regards,
Kim





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Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-25 Thread Adam Horan 
Are these emergency markers created and maintained by the Puffing Billy
Railway?

If not they might be sharing a dataset with you that they don't have
permission to share for this purpose?

Adam

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 16:24,  wrote:

> Maybe just create a simple page on the wiki describing what you intent to
> do along with a link to information about the received permission? Just to
> make it easier to find in the future if there are any concerns.
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew Harvey 
> *Sent:* Friday, 26 November 2021 13:46
> *To:* Kim Oldfield 
> *Cc:* OSM-Au 
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?
>
>
>
> That sounds fine to me, this email consulting with the community,
> informing of your plan and what steps you've taken is enough in my opinion.
>
>
>
> I would ask if you could share more information about the permission you
> obtained? So long as you have sufficient rights to submit the data under
> the OSM contributor terms.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 04:56, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <
> talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a list of 200 emergency marker locations along 22km of the
> Puffing Billy Railway which were provided to me by the railway with
> permission to include them in OSM.
>
> I've been reading through https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import -
> most of which appears to be geared toward larger imports and using
> publicly available data with various licenses. The data for my import is
> not publicly available, and was provided to me when I asked to import it
> into OSM.
>
> I've searched overpass-turbo and there are no
> highway=emergency_access_points, name~"PBM", or ref~"PBM" near the list
> of nodes I have to import. This indicates that none of the nodes are
> already mapped.
>
> Based on the example file on
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM_file_format I've converted the
> emergency marker list into xml, the start of which looks like:
>
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> 
> ...
>
> In JOSM I can import this file and merge the layer. I'm intending to
> then upload this with appropriate an comment noting that the data was
> provided by Puffing Billy Railway with permission to include it in OSM.
>
> I'm proposing to import this as a one off, single change set under my
> existing OSM username.
>
> Is this a reasonable way to do this import? Is there anything else I
> should do?
>
> Regards,
> Kim
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-25 Thread osm.talk-au 
Maybe just create a simple page on the wiki describing what you intent to do 
along with a link to information about the received permission? Just to make it 
easier to find in the future if there are any concerns.

 

From: Andrew Harvey  
Sent: Friday, 26 November 2021 13:46
To: Kim Oldfield 
Cc: OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

 

That sounds fine to me, this email consulting with the community, informing of 
your plan and what steps you've taken is enough in my opinion.

 

I would ask if you could share more information about the permission you 
obtained? So long as you have sufficient rights to submit the data under the 
OSM contributor terms.

 

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 04:56, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au 
mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > wrote:

Hi,

I have a list of 200 emergency marker locations along 22km of the 
Puffing Billy Railway which were provided to me by the railway with 
permission to include them in OSM.

I've been reading through https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import - 
most of which appears to be geared toward larger imports and using 
publicly available data with various licenses. The data for my import is 
not publicly available, and was provided to me when I asked to import it 
into OSM.

I've searched overpass-turbo and there are no 
highway=emergency_access_points, name~"PBM", or ref~"PBM" near the list 
of nodes I have to import. This indicates that none of the nodes are 
already mapped.

Based on the example file on 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM_file_format I've converted the 
emergency marker list into xml, the start of which looks like:




   
   

...

In JOSM I can import this file and merge the layer. I'm intending to 
then upload this with appropriate an comment noting that the data was 
provided by Puffing Billy Railway with permission to include it in OSM.

I'm proposing to import this as a one off, single change set under my 
existing OSM username.

Is this a reasonable way to do this import? Is there anything else I 
should do?

Regards,
Kim





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Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-25 Thread Andrew Harvey 
That sounds fine to me, this email consulting with the community, informing
of your plan and what steps you've taken is enough in my opinion.

I would ask if you could share more information about the permission you
obtained? So long as you have sufficient rights to submit the data under
the OSM contributor terms.

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 04:56, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <
talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a list of 200 emergency marker locations along 22km of the
> Puffing Billy Railway which were provided to me by the railway with
> permission to include them in OSM.
>
> I've been reading through https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import -
> most of which appears to be geared toward larger imports and using
> publicly available data with various licenses. The data for my import is
> not publicly available, and was provided to me when I asked to import it
> into OSM.
>
> I've searched overpass-turbo and there are no
> highway=emergency_access_points, name~"PBM", or ref~"PBM" near the list
> of nodes I have to import. This indicates that none of the nodes are
> already mapped.
>
> Based on the example file on
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM_file_format I've converted the
> emergency marker list into xml, the start of which looks like:
>
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> 
> ...
>
> In JOSM I can import this file and merge the layer. I'm intending to
> then upload this with appropriate an comment noting that the data was
> provided by Puffing Billy Railway with permission to include it in OSM.
>
> I'm proposing to import this as a one off, single change set under my
> existing OSM username.
>
> Is this a reasonable way to do this import? Is there anything else I
> should do?
>
> Regards,
> Kim
>
>
>
>
>
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[talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-25 Thread Kim Oldfield via Talk-au 

Hi,

I have a list of 200 emergency marker locations along 22km of the 
Puffing Billy Railway which were provided to me by the railway with 
permission to include them in OSM.


I've been reading through https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import - 
most of which appears to be geared toward larger imports and using 
publicly available data with various licenses. The data for my import is 
not publicly available, and was provided to me when I asked to import it 
into OSM.


I've searched overpass-turbo and there are no 
highway=emergency_access_points, name~"PBM", or ref~"PBM" near the list 
of nodes I have to import. This indicates that none of the nodes are 
already mapped.


Based on the example file on 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM_file_format I've converted the 
emergency marker list into xml, the start of which looks like:





  
  

...

In JOSM I can import this file and merge the layer. I'm intending to 
then upload this with appropriate an comment noting that the data was 
provided by Puffing Billy Railway with permission to include it in OSM.


I'm proposing to import this as a one off, single change set under my 
existing OSM username.


Is this a reasonable way to do this import? Is there anything else I 
should do?


Regards,
Kim





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