Re: [talk-au] Postal addresses

2020-03-20 Thread Andy Mabbett 
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 04:25, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 20/03/2020 7:54 am, Andy Mabbett wrote:

> which does *not* imply that if there is a addr:housenumber there
> should be no addr:housename, but on the contrary indicates that the
> two properties can be used at the same time.

> The Karlsruhe_Schema says
> addr:housenumber or addr:housename

It also says:

   The scheme is (as anything in OSM) subject to change after everyone
   has gathered experience with tagging house-numbers and interpreting
   the mapped data.

and:

   These tags work well in many countries. But other countries use very
   different ways of addressing that don't match these tags.

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Re: [talk-au] Postal addresses

2020-03-19 Thread Warin 

On 20/3/20 6:58 am, Sebastian S. wrote:
In other parts of the world house name or landmarks are used for 
navigation. I like that although uncommon nowadays. I think landmarks 
are particularly important for walking routing.
I have tagged names of large Appartement Blocks If the name is 
prominently displayed outside. For that I have used name=



Station/homestead names are usefull for navigation in the remoter 
regions of Australia.




On 19 March 2020 9:39:52 pm AEDT, Ben Kelley  
wrote:


Hi.

I sometimes tag house names if they are known. I don't think the
wiki implies that you should not add house name if you add house
number, but I agree it's not generally useful in terms of
delivering mail in Australia.

 - Ben.

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 17:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
> wrote:

Hi

2 things on addresses.

Firstly house names.

While these exist they are seldom required for postal
addresses so the should not be placed into addr:housename=*
but rather into name=*.

The wiki specifically implies if there is a addr:housenumber
there should be no addr:housename. See
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr#Commonly_used_subkeys


Secondly remote addresses - Roadside Mail Box/Bag, Roadside Mail 
Service, Private Bag etc.

These are hard to find out how to map them on the wiki, I think they 
need to go into the Australian Tagging guidelines.

The answer is the same for PO boxes - use addr:full=*

Thoughts?



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Re: [talk-au] Postal addresses

2020-03-19 Thread Warin 

On 20/3/20 9:13 am, Andrew Davidson wrote:

On 20/03/2020 7:54 am, Andy Mabbett wrote:


which does *not* imply that if there is a addr:housenumber there
should be no addr:housename, but on the contrary indicates that the
two properties can be used at the same time.



That's also how I read it.




The Karlsruhe_Schema says
|addr:housenumber| or |addr:housename|
|
|
|https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema|
|
|
|As that is the proposal I went with it.
|
|Also on the discussion page too ...|
|https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema#Why_is_there_addr:housename_when_name_is_perfectly_fine.3F|
|and
|
|https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema#number_.2Aor.2A_name.3F|
|
|
|To me the above say that the addr: is a postal thing i.e. the address 
used by postal services, the physical address may be something different?|

|The addr: is not 'well defined' hence this confusion.
|
|There is also mention of PO Boxes for addr:full that implys that it is 
a postal address not a physical location...

|
|
|
|Not good...
|
|
|
|
|
|The Barkly Homestead certainly does not have a physical address of
|

"PRIVATE MAIL BAG 32
Tennant Creek

Northern Territory  0862"


https://www.barklyhomestead.com.au/



-
Regarding

contact:mail

~ 120uses.. no wiki page and no mention of it on the contact page.

The contact page also says other tags are more popular.

However for mail there appears to be little use other than mail:franked 
(no wiki page)


mail:stamped mail:first_class etc I assume this is something to do with 
posting not the address that a place uses.




All in all a bit of a mess.

||
|
|


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Re: [talk-au] Postal addresses

2020-03-19 Thread Andrew Davidson 

On 20/03/2020 7:54 am, Andy Mabbett wrote:


which does *not* imply that if there is a addr:housenumber there
should be no addr:housename, but on the contrary indicates that the
two properties can be used at the same time.



That's also how I read it.


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Re: [talk-au] Postal addresses

2020-03-19 Thread Andy Mabbett 
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 06:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Firstly house names.
>
> While these exist they are seldom required for postal addresses so the should 
> not be placed into addr:housename=* but rather into name=*.
>
> The wiki specifically implies if there is a addr:housenumber there should be 
> no addr:housename.
> See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr#Commonly_used_subkeys

If something is implied then it is not specific.

What the wiki actually says is:

   addr:housename
   The name of a house.
   This is sometimes used in some countries like England instead of
   (or in addition to) a house number.

which does *not* imply that if there is a addr:housenumber there
should be no addr:housename, but on the contrary indicates that the
two properties can be used at the same time.

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Re: [talk-au] Postal addresses

2020-03-19 Thread Sebastian S. 
In other parts of the world house name or landmarks are used for navigation. I 
like that although uncommon nowadays. I think landmarks are particularly 
important for walking routing.
I have tagged names of large Appartement Blocks If the name is prominently 
displayed outside. For that I have used name=

On 19 March 2020 9:39:52 pm AEDT, Ben Kelley  wrote:
>Hi.
>
>I sometimes tag house names if they are known. I don't think the wiki
>implies that you should not add house name if you add house number, but
>I
>agree it's not generally useful in terms of delivering mail in
>Australia.
>
> - Ben.
>
>On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 17:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>>  2 things on addresses.
>>
>>  Firstly house names.
>>
>> While these exist they are seldom required for postal addresses so
>the should not be placed into addr:housename=* but rather into name=*.
>>
>> The wiki specifically implies if there is a addr:housenumber there
>should be no addr:housename.
>> See
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr#Commonly_used_subkeys
>>
>>  Secondly remote addresses - Roadside Mail Box/Bag, Roadside Mail
>Service, Private Bag etc.
>>
>> These are hard to find out how to map them on the wiki, I think they
>need to go into the Australian Tagging guidelines.
>>
>> The answer is the same for PO boxes - use addr:full=*
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Postal addresses

2020-03-19 Thread Ben Kelley 
Hi.

I sometimes tag house names if they are known. I don't think the wiki
implies that you should not add house name if you add house number, but I
agree it's not generally useful in terms of delivering mail in Australia.

 - Ben.

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 17:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
>  2 things on addresses.
>
>  Firstly house names.
>
> While these exist they are seldom required for postal addresses so the should 
> not be placed into addr:housename=* but rather into name=*.
>
> The wiki specifically implies if there is a addr:housenumber there should be 
> no addr:housename.
> See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr#Commonly_used_subkeys
>
>  Secondly remote addresses - Roadside Mail Box/Bag, Roadside Mail Service, 
> Private Bag etc.
>
> These are hard to find out how to map them on the wiki, I think they need to 
> go into the Australian Tagging guidelines.
>
> The answer is the same for PO boxes - use addr:full=*
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Postal addresses

2020-03-19 Thread Benjamin Ceravolo 
I think addr:full=* sounds great as I can think of at least 5
examples where that can help off the top head straight away.

And it probably works better with house names as name=* but that does
result in it showing up on the render at specific zoom levels. I don't know
if that happened with addr:housename=* as well though.

Benjamin.

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 17:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
>  2 things on addresses.
>
>  Firstly house names.
>
> While these exist they are seldom required for postal addresses so the should 
> not be placed into addr:housename=* but rather into name=*.
>
> The wiki specifically implies if there is a addr:housenumber there should be 
> no addr:housename.
> See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr#Commonly_used_subkeys
>
>  Secondly remote addresses - Roadside Mail Box/Bag, Roadside Mail Service, 
> Private Bag etc.
>
> These are hard to find out how to map them on the wiki, I think they need to 
> go into the Australian Tagging guidelines.
>
> The answer is the same for PO boxes - use addr:full=*
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
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[talk-au] Postal addresses

2020-03-19 Thread Warin 

Hi

2 things on addresses.

Firstly house names.

While these exist they are seldom required for postal addresses so the 
should not be placed into addr:housename=* but rather into name=*.


The wiki specifically implies if there is a addr:housenumber there 
should be no addr:housename. See 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr#Commonly_used_subkeys


Secondly remote addresses - Roadside Mail Box/Bag, Roadside Mail Service, 
Private Bag etc.

These are hard to find out how to map them on the wiki, I think they need to go 
into the Australian Tagging guidelines.

The answer is the same for PO boxes - use addr:full=*

Thoughts?



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