[talk-au] Question about relations

2012-07-25 Thread Adrian Plaskitt

Greetings all. I usually confine my mapping to bush tracks and cycle paths as 
this is what I am most interested in and is often not available from other 
sources. With the recent devastation of the base map I am remapping some of my 
local area, and rapidly realising how little I really understand, so forgive 
this basic question. I also find the wiki very hard to practically understand 
as it assumes a level of knowledge that is beyond me.

I am interested in mapping/remapping the walking route the great north walk, 
which is an established relation. My specific question is, when the route 
passes down only part of a way, say just a few blocks of a longer street, how 
do you assign the relation to just a few internodes. Is it necessary to split 
the ways at the nodes and then just assign the relation to the segments 
between, or is it necessary to create a new way over the top which is just the 
walking route, or is there some method that is simpler that I have failed to 
appreciate.

I am only able to use the potlach editor. 

Thanks, and regards, adrian.






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But for metroad 10 for
  example, there were 2 x relations for metroad ten.  I expected they were
 for
  north and south bound routes as that is the way they appeared to be listed
  in some other areas I checked so that is what I have done.  Put one
 relation
  for north and the other for south.  If that's not right let me know and I
  will fix.  Not sure how a routing relation works anyway.
 
 For the Sydney metroads I have added directional route relations, that use
 two directional relations for each metroad.  This allows the connectivity
 of the route to be checked quickly during the reconstruction phase, and
 otherwise does no harm.  When we have reached the next stage of maturity we
 can decide if we want to merge them back into a single route relation with
 directional elements.  So, yes, what you have done is correct.
 
  2. for the road naming where the ref tag for metroad 10 was MR10 I have
  changed those to network=MR and ref=10.  Same for the other roads I have
  worked on.  Not *certain* that is correct though either so if someone
 could
  enlighten me would be good thanks
 
 
 That is correct.  See the Australian tagging guidelines in the wiki.
 
  3. state highway 29 continues from boundary street along pacific highway
 and
  then along delhi road, which makes that small section of the pacific
 highway
  sh29 *and* mr1.  what should I use to reflect that?
 
 It can be part of both route relations.
 
  Just my own view on the redaction process.  No issue with people who
  declined the licence agreement.  However it was annoying for me to see one
  of the very first things I used for practice vanish in a puff of smoke. It
  was just a building outline, a coles supermarket.  I named it, put in the
  opening hours, telephone number, full address details eg addr: city: etc
  etc.  I turned it into a thing of beauty by entering approx 10 odd pieces
 of
  information, just for practice and learning.  I thought it a bit harsh
 just
  because someone traced a building roof everything I added went as well.
  Tracing the building would have taken less than a minute.  I spent 40
  minutes researching and entering that extra detail on that single item.
 
 Your change sets are still available. You should be able to at least refer
 to the info you have added.  And yes, the loss of data in this way is the
 hardest.  One person just traces from an aerial and then does not agree.
 Others survey, add cycle facilities, names etc that are lost to OSM.  I
 don't know if it still possible to better use some of this unattached
 data in the database down the track.
 
 Ian
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Re: [talk-au] Question about relations

2012-07-25 Thread SomeoneElse

Adrian Plaskitt wrote:
My specific question is, when the route passes down only part of a 
way, say just a few blocks of a longer street, how do you assign the 
relation to just a few internodes. Is it necessary to split the ways 
at the nodes and then just assign the relation to the segments 
between, or is it necessary to create a new way over the top which is 
just the walking route, or is there some method that is simpler that I 
have failed to appreciate.


I'd split the way, like this:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/141369518

Here the end of Mandalay Beach Road has been split and the part of the 
road that belongs to the walking route has been added to the walking 
route relation ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/400098 in 
this case).


The result looks like this on a map designed to show long distance 
hiking routes:


http://hiking.lonvia.de/en/?zoom=17lat=-35.00144lon=116.53484

Cheers,
Andy


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Re: [talk-au] Question about relations

2012-07-25 Thread John Henderson

On 25/07/12 16:07, Adrian Plaskitt wrote:

Greetings all. I usually confine my mapping to bush tracks and cycle
 paths as this is what I am most interested in and is often not
available from other sources. With the recent devastation of the base
map I am remapping some of my local area, and rapidly realising how
little I really understand, so forgive this basic question. I also
find the wiki very hard to practically understand as it assumes a
level of knowledge that is beyond me.

I am interested in mapping/remapping the walking route the great
north walk, which is an established relation. My specific question
is, when the route passes down only part of a way, say just a few
blocks of a longer street, how do you assign the relation to just a
few internodes. Is it necessary to split the ways at the nodes and
then just assign the relation to the segments between, or is it
necessary to create a new way over the top which is just the walking
route, or is there some method that is simpler that I have failed to
appreciate.

I am only able to use the potlach editor.


Yes, split the way as required, and add only the relevant sections to
the relation.

John

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