Re: [talk-au] Re campsites

2015-05-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Adrian Plaskitt adrianplask...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 Greetings all. I think toilets and  presence of drinking water should be
separate pieces of information easily obvious to any user. While all
campsites with drinking water will have toilets, the reverse is often not
true in NSW.


Hmm.. I've camped at sites with water but no developed toilets.




What is more common though is a campsite with water, but no developed water:

   - developed, potable water (drinking_water=yes)
   - available clean water (spring)
   - available untreated water (potable if filtered or boilet)
   - compromised water (difficult or impossible to make potable)
   - no water seasonally
   - no water in any season (drinking_water=no)
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[talk-au] Re campsites

2015-05-03 Thread Adrian Plaskitt
Greetings all. I think toilets and  presence of drinking water should be 
separate pieces of information easily obvious to any user. While all campsites 
with drinking water will have toilets, the reverse is often not true in NSW. 
I was at one last weekend - fairly large and popular ( room for 30 or 40 tents 
and vans), within 2 hours drive from sydney, and it had no water except for 
unreliable tank water. ( plenty last weekend lol). 

http://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/Dharug-National-Park/Mill-Creek-campground/camping

This information is of interest to cycle tourists particularly, who need to 
manage water supplies quite carefully. It is depressing to get to the campsite 
only to realise you have to cycle another 10ks to get water. So I would suggest 
the second tier be basic plus toilets without an assumption about water. I do 
realise cycle tourists are only a small user group and will probably use other 
more detailed resources though.  
Cheers Adrian 

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 Whatever way it is cut there is a 'responsiblity', and I'd rather see the
 'rules' and have the mapper make the choice from local knowledge rather
 than pass it to some remote person who can only judge it from a yes/no
 answer.
 
 I'm in also in favour of subjective decisions, when we need a subjective
 decision, to be made close to the source.
 
 However, there are some tags that simply aim to group objective facts by
 applying a ruleset to them.  From the description this looks like one of
 those cases.  I look to see what amenity a campsite has, look up the
 proposal, and decide on a category to assign it to.  I can choose to list
 the amenities too if I want.
 
 People might misinterpret the ruleset, and meanwhile, we are losing hard
 data about the amenities.
 
 Is there supposed to be a subjective step that I'm missing?  That is you
 look at all the amenity, and make a judgement call on the category?
 
 Ian.
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