[talk-au] Redaction progress
(apologies for the formatting - below is quoted from the mailing list web archive.) Hi everyone, I'm a long time contributor but this is my first post to this list. Neal, don't be discouraged! I've already restored a significant amount of street data to Hobart in a team of a few others (combined we have done about 1/3 of the city total): http://rebuild.poole.ch/job/33 (thanks Simon Poole for this site) I don't expect it will take too long, especially with 1-2 more people helping! Regards, Charles Hobart has been decimated. It feels like vandalism to lose so much data. I allowed my edits to be preserved but as stated earlier I will not keep contributing - I can't find the incentive after so much effort was simply tossed out. Regards, Neal Mapper since: 12 September 2007 at 04:13 (almost 5 years ago) - Original Message - From: Michael Hampson mhampson at fastmail.com.au To: Liz edodd at billiau.net, talk-au at openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, 19 July, 2012 11:23:08 PM Subject: Re: [talk-au] Redaction progress It's a shame to lose so much data, but I've learnt that things are often done better the second time around. We'll be back on our feet in no time. Maybe we'll get those pesky roundabouts right. :) Regards, Michael On 19/07/2012 10:28 PM, Liz wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:22:37 +1000 Michael Hampson wrote: Looks like we lost Botany Bay!! Who's good at fix that? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.9929lon=151.1838zoom=13layers=M Regards, Michael I think you will see far more gone as the night progresses. More reassuring to watch le Tour de France. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au at openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 10:33 PM, David Sisourath someperson_...@hotmail.com wrote: hard as few people edit and go around in the Western Region of Melbourne. I've actually done a fair bit in the northwest, over the last few years - especially the new suburbs like Delahey, Roxburgh Park, etc. I'm not picky where I edit in Victoria - happy to work on any white spaces anywhere, as long as there's imagery. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM, waldo000...@gmail.com waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Show of hands - Who's going to 1) stick around and help fix the Australian OSM map, and who's going to 2) jump ship and contribute to a fork (and if so, which one)? I'd love to stay with OSM but we gotta work together so inevitably I'll go with the majority... Thanks everyone for your responses. Seems like a great amount of interest still remains in fixing the OSM Australia map :-) Any Brisbane OSM mappers still around? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Good to hear Peter!! I've already noticed some great work happening around Sydney. Things are improving day by day. :) Just waiting for the bot to hit my local area now. Regards, Michael On 22/07/2012 5:22 PM, Peter Watson wrote: Hi Guys, I'm sticking around, based Brisbane South. I have been putting back some Highways from memory, Bing and AGRI, There is considerable damage to many towns in QLD. Mackay has been removed and I think Bundaberg and Maryborough have been decimated also. PeterW34 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Yeah, I'm working on it - up in the northern suburbs at the moment, it's the area I know best. It's interesting that many streets that were showing as OK in the tools prior to the change may still be there, but are missing many nodes, so they don't match reality any more. I find you have to actually check right along a road, don't just assume if it's still there it's OK. Unfortunately, it's a really busy time of the year for me, so I don't have as much time as it really needs. But I can see I'll be working on the noname fixing again when I get some free time. Stephen On 22 July 2012 16:36, waldo000...@gmail.com waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone for your responses. Seems like a great amount of interest still remains in fixing the OSM Australia map :-) Any Brisbane OSM mappers still around? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Redaction progress
On 20 July 2012 16:19, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO it would be very beneficial to have overseas armchair mappers in whatever capacity they like. There are so many little roads around the place - I'd much rather have them mapped, with some inaccuracies (eg, access permissions wrong), than not mapped at all. We're not going to agree on the survey vs aerial thing today. We haven't for the last however many years. My opinion is being routed down an impassable or non-existent road is an order of magnitude worse than being sent on a longer route due to a road being absent. I would, however, make the point to those willing to help, that from my initial scans there is so much to do that doesn't require any semblance of local knowledge. There are lots and lots of sections of coastline missing for starters. Hundreds of broken islands. Roads that are missing nodes travelling way off their path. Roads under lakes and waterways. Railway station names. Place names. Split ways. Roundabouts. Missing and incomplete waterways and lakes. I've hours already working on stuff that doesn't require any local knowledge, and I haven't made a tiny dent. Also, FWIW, the Bing imagery is generally great - I've certainly not seen anything like a 100m discrepancy. Wherever I have a GPS trace, it's always aligned very well with the Bing imagery. IMHO (possibly in the minority) even mapping based on misaligned imagery isn't a major problem. What's worse - a town that is perfectly mapped but 100m, or the same town not mapped at all? Generally so. But the much of the northern suburbs of Sydney is all cloud covered. Southern Highlands of NSW is misaligned by around 10-20m in parts. Northern Victoria is misaligned too around Beechworth and Wangaratta. Normal precautions for using imagery anywhere in the world apply. And with the AGRI data and existing GPS traces and objects, it should be quite possible to adjust, so hopefully 100m offset towns can be easily avoided! :-) Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Am 20.07.2012 10:17, schrieb Ian Sergeant: On 20 July 2012 16:19, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com mailto:stevag...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO it would be very beneficial to have overseas armchair mappers in whatever capacity they like. There are so many little roads around the place - I'd much rather have them mapped, with some inaccuracies (eg, access permissions wrong), than not mapped at all. We're not going to agree on the survey vs aerial thing today. We haven't for the last however many years. My opinion is being routed down an impassable or non-existent road is an order of magnitude worse than being sent on a longer route due to a road being absent. I would tend to agree, but on the other hand from a pure volume (not importance) point of view I suspect that a very very large part of the damage are residential roads with essentially no danger of being routed to nirwana. I would, however, make the point to those willing to help, that from my initial scans there is so much to do that doesn't require any semblance of local knowledge. There are lots and lots of sections of coastline missing for starters. Hundreds of broken islands. Roads that are missing nodes travelling way off their path. Roads under lakes and waterways. Railway station names. Place names. Split ways. Roundabouts. Missing and incomplete waterways and lakes. I've hours already working on stuff that doesn't require any local knowledge, and I haven't made a tiny dent. There is no reason such stuff can't be farmed out to interested mappers. I have a server on order that will be ready in a couple of hours. I suspect that I'll have the tasking manager running early this evening CEST. Simon ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 19/07/12 19:29, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Show of hands - Who's going to 1) stick around and help fix the Australian OSM map I've never had any intention of moving to an alternative. JOSM users shouldn't forget that they can tick Raw GPS data when downloading sections of map to work on. It's a great tool for fixing well-travelled roads using accumulated GPS traces from others. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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I'm staying too. Regards, Michael On 19/07/2012 8:45 PM, Mark Pulley wrote: On 19/07/2012, at 7:29 PM, waldo000...@gmail.com mailto:waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Wooh! Finally, with those little green boxes starting to appear over Australia, we can start to see the light at the end of the license change tunnel. Show of hands - Who's going to 1) stick around and help fix the Australian OSM map, and who's going to 2) jump ship and contribute to a fork (and if so, which one)? I'm planning to stick with OSM. Mark P. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Redaction progress
Looks like we lost Botany Bay!! Who's good at fix that? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.9929lon=151.1838zoom=13layers=M Regards, Michael On 19/07/2012 6:43 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Current state of affairs: - North America is mostly complete. The bot is still working in Los Angeles and Victoria (Canada). There are one or two failed or incomplete areas which are marked in red on the progress map; these are being retried individually. Haiti/Dominican Republic has been left out of this initial run to give a little more time for remapping. - Western Europe is also mostly complete. Some complex areas in Germany are still being processed. Redaction in Poland has paused after initially being processed with a whitelist missing (with the associated changes now reverted) and will resume as part of the final whole-world pass. - Belarus is complete. - Redaction is now underway in Australia, starting from the south coast. - Progress map link: http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php Please edit the To: line and make sure any follow-ups go to the relevant local mailing list only. :) cheers Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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I am planning to stay with OSM as I have done a lot updated in the Darling Downs area around Goombungee, Crow's Nest, Highfields and out to Dalby. I have a keen intrest in this area have every street and dirt road as I am with QFRS and this maping will help get to locations quickly using the NavIT navigation system. Just hope I am getting all updates correct. Hope to start adding property numbers and street numbers early next year. Jeff Williams ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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G'day, I'd say most of those planning to jump ship did a long time ago - although some of them hung around a bit. I don't think any fork is going to be viable, even with the slightly unique licensing conditions in Australia. OSM has serious traction now, and is the place to be. Anyway, yeah it'll be good to have some certainty, and something positive to work towards. It's been a dark shadow overhead for a very long time. Steve On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:29 PM, waldo000...@gmail.com waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Wooh! Finally, with those little green boxes starting to appear over Australia, we can start to see the light at the end of the license change tunnel. Show of hands - Who's going to 1) stick around and help fix the Australian OSM map, and who's going to 2) jump ship and contribute to a fork (and if so, which one)? I'd love to stay with OSM but we gotta work together so inevitably I'll go with the majority... Cheers, Roy On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Current state of affairs: - North America is mostly complete. The bot is still working in Los Angeles and Victoria (Canada). There are one or two failed or incomplete areas which are marked in red on the progress map; these are being retried individually. Haiti/Dominican Republic has been left out of this initial run to give a little more time for remapping. - Western Europe is also mostly complete. Some complex areas in Germany are still being processed. Redaction in Poland has paused after initially being processed with a whitelist missing (with the associated changes now reverted) and will resume as part of the final whole-world pass. - Belarus is complete. - Redaction is now underway in Australia, starting from the south coast. - Progress map link: http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php Please edit the To: line and make sure any follow-ups go to the relevant local mailing list only. :) cheers Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Redaction progress
It's a shame to lose so much data, but I've learnt that things are often done better the second time around. We'll be back on our feet in no time. Maybe we'll get those pesky roundabouts right. :) Regards, Michael On 19/07/2012 10:28 PM, Liz wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:22:37 +1000 Michael Hampson wrote: Looks like we lost Botany Bay!! Who's good at fix that? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.9929lon=151.1838zoom=13layers=M Regards, Michael I think you will see far more gone as the night progresses. More reassuring to watch le Tour de France. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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As all probably know we have two large areas where data had to be removed, Poland and Australia besides a number of smallish hotspots. I would think it would be a really good idea to set up a HOT tasking server (no idea about it inner workings and if it makes sense to do this all in one, or have two) for the coordination of our largish army of armchair mappers. Particularly in AUS were we have good quality imagery available this would seem to make a lot of sense. Any local takers? Or should I do it from here? SImon ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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I second what Ian has just said. Is there anyway we can contact local Australian mappers to join the effort? There must be a lot of local inactive mappers out there that might respond. Regards, Michael On 20/07/2012 10:55 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote: Let's give it a few days, and come to terms with the effort we're facing and the kind of changes required before deciding the response we need. I'm not convinced that having features drawn in without local knowledge or survey is the necessarily the best way forward - especially in areas where we have local contributors and knowledge of the areas requiring remapping. So many private roads, farm trails, gates, fences, etc. However, I'd renew the call for experienced overseas armchair OSMers to take a look around and help in ways that don't require local knowledge. Lots of split objects, deformed coastline, waterways and other ways where nodes have been removed, etc, that anyone who would like to adopt an area can find easily and fix. Ian. On 20 July 2012 09:43, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch mailto:si...@poole.ch wrote: As all probably know we have two large areas where data had to be removed, Poland and Australia besides a number of smallish hotspots. I would think it would be a really good idea to set up a HOT tasking server (no idea about it inner workings and if it makes sense to do this all in one, or have two) for the coordination of our largish army of armchair mappers. Particularly in AUS were we have good quality imagery available this would seem to make a lot of sense. Any local takers? Or should I do it from here? SImon ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Redaction progress
On 20/07/12 09:43, Simon Poole wrote: As all probably know we have two large areas where data had to be removed, Poland and Australia besides a number of smallish hotspots. I would think it would be a really good idea to set up a HOT tasking server (no idea about it inner workings and if it makes sense to do this all in one, or have two) for the coordination of our largish army of armchair mappers. Particularly in AUS were we have good quality imagery available this would seem to make a lot of sense. Any local takers? Or should I do it from here? What imagery? Bing is suitable in some areas but absolutely useless in others. And even where it is suitable it can be up to 100m out. Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
