Re: [talk-au] Tagging - World Solar Challenge - Darwin to Adelaide

[Bryce Nesbitt]

This seems like exactly the type of data that can be mapped with a mashup.
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Re: [talk-au] Tagging - World Solar Challenge - Darwin to Adelaide

[Warin]

On 19-May-17 09:30 PM, Andy Townsend wrote:

On 19/05/2017 11:19, Alex Sims wrote:

I’m not quite sure how to resolve this.

There is a relation 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7107501#map=5/-24.173/134.723 
for the World Solar Challenge that runs from Darwin to Adelaide.


It is a relation tagged as highway=raceway


I don't think that it makes sense to tag the _relation_ as 
highway=raceway , although some individual ways might be - most of the 
time it isn't a raceway.  See the Singapore GP circuit as an example:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/421263

That relation has broken bits, but you can see "dedicated raceway" 
bits by the pit complex and "ordinary highways" elsewhere.


Best Regards,

Andy


The Isle of Man TT is another ..
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/188240
Relation: Snaefell Mountain Course (188240)
Tags:
"length"="60.73 km"
"name"="Snaefell Mountain Course"
"wikipedia"="en:Snaefell Mountain Course"
"type"="circuit"

Bathurst?
Relation: Mount Panorama Circuit (6942508)
Tags:
"name"="Mount Panorama Circuit"
"wikidata"="Q1950645"
"wikipedia"="en:Mount Panorama Circuit"

type=circuit has a proposal ..
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Circuit
I'll add "type"="circuit" to the Mount Panorama Circuit relation.

Taginfo has 100 uses of type=circuit so there are a few of these around.



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Re: [talk-au] Tagging - World Solar Challenge - Darwin to Adelaide

[Andy Townsend]

On 19/05/2017 11:19, Alex Sims wrote:

I’m not quite sure how to resolve this.

There is a relation 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7107501#map=5/-24.173/134.723 for 
the World Solar Challenge that runs from Darwin to Adelaide.


It is a relation tagged as highway=raceway


I don't think that it makes sense to tag the _relation_ as 
highway=raceway , although some individual ways might be - most of the 
time it isn't a raceway.  See the Singapore GP circuit as an example:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/421263

That relation has broken bits, but you can see "dedicated raceway" bits 
by the pit complex and "ordinary highways" elsewhere.


Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [talk-au] Tagging - World Solar Challenge - Darwin to Adelaide

[Warin]

On 19-May-17 08:54 PM, nwastra wrote:
I would like to see additional tags to specify the period that the 
World Solar Challenge route is being used for the actual race.
Not so sure about the route relation remaining as a mapped entity 
after the race is completed but do not really see a reason why is 
should not be permanently mapped and updated and rerouted as it 
changes each year.
Will be interesting to see others comments on the mapping of this race 
route.


It is not run every year ... far too costly for that ... cost to the 
competitors that is.


Route.. over most of the course there is little choice!
They do try to avoid hills - too much power required.
Where it goes through major towns I think they do get traffic control .. 
at least in part.


As the roads, for the most part, are not closed to normal traffic .. it 
is not strictly a 'raceway'.



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Re: [talk-au] Tagging - World Solar Challenge - Darwin to Adelaide

[nwastra]

Perhaps this could be seen as a special case and a valid exception to the usual 
tagging rules applied. 
Nev
> On 19 May 2017, at 8:53 PM, Alex Sims  wrote:
> 
> I should have been a little clearer,
> 
> Each element now has two attributes highway=raceway and highway=primary, a 
> single way should only have one highway attribute.
> 
> The tagging guidelines 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Draceway 
>  seem to imply its 
> an either/or thing. I’m searching for a tag other than “highway=raceway” to 
> apply to the relation, like a bus route for example.
> 
> Alex
>> On 19 May 2017, at 8:12 pm, nwastra > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am quite ok with the tagging as the individual ways that make up the route 
>> have not been altered.
>> The relation maps out the route of the Solar Challenge Race. The route as I 
>> see it serves a dual purpose during the period of the race. The Solar 
>> Challenge vehicles, though racing within strict rules of the public roads 
>> are never the less in a Solar Race against time and the usual road users are 
>> following their normal highway route. There is likely some interaction 
>> between both road users during this time and the normal users are likely to 
>> benefit  from being able to view the route on the osm as it is currently 
>> mapped as well as other international interest in the race.
>> Nev 
>>> On 19 May 2017, at 8:19 PM, Alex Sims >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m not quite sure how to resolve this.
>>> 
>>> There is a relation 
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7107501#map=5/-24.173/134.723 
>>>  for 
>>> the World Solar Challenge that runs from Darwin to Adelaide.
>>> 
>>> It is a relation tagged as highway=raceway 
>>> 
>>> This is now propagating on to assorted apps as well as the slippy map and 
>>> I’m finding it confusing.
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure if it should be
>>> - deleted as it is not “on the ground” and verifiable
>>> - made into a “ref” tag, like a highway alternative name, e.g A1, B2, C3
>>> - something else.
>>> 
>>> I do find it a bit odd though as in the parts through Adelaide there is no 
>>> signage, so it is more of an administrative feature like a suburb boundary 
>>> but even less so. It only has use once a year and it is more the route of 
>>> an event. I see the various odd shaped vehicles go by, but the road is not 
>>> closed, it is more a cavalcade of vehicles passing along normal highways, 
>>> subject to normal highway rules
> 

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Re: [talk-au] Tagging - World Solar Challenge - Darwin to Adelaide

[Warin]

On 19-May-17 08:19 PM, Alex Sims wrote:

I’m not quite sure how to resolve this.

There is a relation 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7107501#map=5/-24.173/134.723 for 
the World Solar Challenge that runs from Darwin to Adelaide.


It is a relation tagged as highway=raceway

I would delete the tag 'highway=raceway' ... not good.


This is now propagating on to assorted apps as well as the slippy map 
and I’m finding it confusing.


I’m not sure if it should be
- deleted as it is not “on the ground” and verifiable
- made into a “ref” tag, like a highway alternative name, e.g A1, B2, C3
- something else.


It is a route and suitable  as a relation. I would tend to encourage the 
use of OSM, rather than see them go to gxxxle ...




I do find it a bit odd though as in the parts through Adelaide there 
is no signage, so it is more of an administrative feature like a 
suburb boundary but even less so. It only has use once a year and it 
is more the route of an event. I see the various odd shaped vehicles 
go by, but the road is not closed, it is more a cavalcade of vehicles 
passing along normal highways, subject to normal highway rules


Thoughts, suggestions?


Perhaps
route=solar_challenge ? rather than route=raceway ...
opening_hours="October to December" might be a reasonable addition.

They do have similar events elsewhere  ... I would like to see them use 
OSM too.


I have raised this on the tagging group to see if they have any 
'international' ideas.


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[talk-au] Tagging - World Solar Challenge - Darwin to Adelaide

[nwastra]

I see your point, but was not aware that this was a problem when mapped within 
a relation.
Nev

> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 8:53 PM, Alex Sims > > wrote:
>> 
>> I should have been a little clearer,
>> 
>> Each element now has two attributes highway=raceway and highway=primary, a 
>> single way should only have one highway attribute.
>> 
>> The tagging guidelines 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Draceway 
>>  seem to imply its 
>> an either/or thing. I’m searching for a tag other than “highway=raceway” to 
>> apply to the relation, like a bus route for example.
>> 
>> Alex
>>> On 19 May 2017, at 8:12 pm, nwastra >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am quite ok with the tagging as the individual ways that make up the 
>>> route have not been altered.
>>> The relation maps out the route of the Solar Challenge Race. The route as I 
>>> see it serves a dual purpose during the period of the race. The Solar 
>>> Challenge vehicles, though racing within strict rules of the public roads 
>>> are never the less in a Solar Race against time and the usual road users 
>>> are following their normal highway route. There is likely some interaction 
>>> between both road users during this time and the normal users are likely to 
>>> benefit  from being able to view the route on the osm as it is currently 
>>> mapped as well as other international interest in the race.
>>> Nev 
 On 19 May 2017, at 8:19 PM, Alex Sims > wrote:
 
 I’m not quite sure how to resolve this.
 
 There is a relation 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7107501#map=5/-24.173/134.723 
  for 
 the World Solar Challenge that runs from Darwin to Adelaide.
 
 It is a relation tagged as highway=raceway 
 
 This is now propagating on to assorted apps as well as the slippy map and 
 I’m finding it confusing.
 
 I’m not sure if it should be
 - deleted as it is not “on the ground” and verifiable
 - made into a “ref” tag, like a highway alternative name, e.g A1, B2, C3
 - something else.
 
 I do find it a bit odd though as in the parts through Adelaide there is no 
 signage, so it is more of an administrative feature like a suburb boundary 
 but even less so. It only has use once a year and it is more the route of 
 an event. I see the various odd shaped vehicles go by, but the road is not 
 closed, it is more a cavalcade of vehicles passing along normal highways, 
 subject to normal highway rules
>> 
> 

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Re: [talk-au] Tagging - World Solar Challenge - Darwin to Adelaide

[nwastra]

I would like to see additional tags to specify the period that the World Solar 
Challenge route is being used for the actual race.
Not so sure about the route relation remaining as a mapped entity after the 
race is completed but do not really see a reason why is should not be 
permanently mapped and updated and rerouted as it changes each year.
Will be interesting to see others comments on the mapping of this race route. 
Nev
> On 19 May 2017, at 8:42 PM, nwastra  wrote:
> 
> I am quite ok with the tagging as the individual ways that make up the route 
> have not been altered.
> The relation maps out the route of the Solar Challenge Race. The route as I 
> see it serves a dual purpose during the period of the race. The Solar 
> Challenge vehicles, though racing within strict rules of the public roads are 
> never the less in a Solar Race against time and the usual road users are 
> following their normal highway route. There is likely some interaction 
> between both road users during this time and the normal users are likely to 
> benefit  from being able to view the route on the osm as it is currently 
> mapped as well as other international interest in the race.
> Nev 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 8:19 PM, Alex Sims > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not quite sure how to resolve this.
>> 
>> There is a relation 
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7107501#map=5/-24.173/134.723 
>>  for 
>> the World Solar Challenge that runs from Darwin to Adelaide.
>> 
>> It is a relation tagged as highway=raceway 
>> 
>> This is now propagating on to assorted apps as well as the slippy map and 
>> I’m finding it confusing.
>> 
>> I’m not sure if it should be
>> - deleted as it is not “on the ground” and verifiable
>> - made into a “ref” tag, like a highway alternative name, e.g A1, B2, C3
>> - something else.
>> 
>> I do find it a bit odd though as in the parts through Adelaide there is no 
>> signage, so it is more of an administrative feature like a suburb boundary 
>> but even less so. It only has use once a year and it is more the route of an 
>> event. I see the various odd shaped vehicles go by, but the road is not 
>> closed, it is more a cavalcade of vehicles passing along normal highways, 
>> subject to normal highway rules
>> 
>> Thoughts, suggestions?
>> 
>> Alex
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Re: [talk-au] Tagging - World Solar Challenge - Darwin to Adelaide

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I am quite ok with the tagging as the individual ways that make up the route 
have not been altered.
The relation maps out the route of the Solar Challenge Race. The route as I see 
it serves a dual purpose during the period of the race. The Solar Challenge 
vehicles, though racing within strict rules of the public roads are never the 
less in a Solar Race against time and the usual road users are following their 
normal highway route. There is likely some interaction between both road users 
during this time and the normal users are likely to benefit  from being able to 
view the route on the osm as it is currently mapped as well as other 
international interest in the race.
Nev 
> On 19 May 2017, at 8:19 PM, Alex Sims  wrote:
> 
> I’m not quite sure how to resolve this.
> 
> There is a relation 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7107501#map=5/-24.173/134.723 
>  for the 
> World Solar Challenge that runs from Darwin to Adelaide.
> 
> It is a relation tagged as highway=raceway 
> 
> This is now propagating on to assorted apps as well as the slippy map and I’m 
> finding it confusing.
> 
> I’m not sure if it should be
> - deleted as it is not “on the ground” and verifiable
> - made into a “ref” tag, like a highway alternative name, e.g A1, B2, C3
> - something else.
> 
> I do find it a bit odd though as in the parts through Adelaide there is no 
> signage, so it is more of an administrative feature like a suburb boundary 
> but even less so. It only has use once a year and it is more the route of an 
> event. I see the various odd shaped vehicles go by, but the road is not 
> closed, it is more a cavalcade of vehicles passing along normal highways, 
> subject to normal highway rules
> 
> Thoughts, suggestions?
> 
> Alex
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[talk-au] Tagging - World Solar Challenge - Darwin to Adelaide

[Alex Sims]

I’m not quite sure how to resolve this.

There is a relation 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7107501#map=5/-24.173/134.723 
 for the 
World Solar Challenge that runs from Darwin to Adelaide.

It is a relation tagged as highway=raceway 

This is now propagating on to assorted apps as well as the slippy map and I’m 
finding it confusing.

I’m not sure if it should be
- deleted as it is not “on the ground” and verifiable
- made into a “ref” tag, like a highway alternative name, e.g A1, B2, C3
- something else.

I do find it a bit odd though as in the parts through Adelaide there is no 
signage, so it is more of an administrative feature like a suburb boundary but 
even less so. It only has use once a year and it is more the route of an event. 
I see the various odd shaped vehicles go by, but the road is not closed, it is 
more a cavalcade of vehicles passing along normal highways, subject to normal 
highway rules

Thoughts, suggestions?

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