Re: [talk-au] Tasmanian transmission line import
On 03/09/12 21:25, Charles Gregory wrote: Hi everyone, I've received a KML of all of Tasmania's high voltage transmission lines from a representative of Transend Networks, with no restrictions on their usage, so I am free to upload these into OSM. I don't find verbal permission as acceptable and would hope that the rest of the OSM community would agree. So I would second that you get the license information in writing as you mentioned. At the moment in OSM, some lines already exist and include towers (sourced from bing imagery), some only have towers (most likely due to redaction), and some lines are not marked at all. The KML file includes only lines - not towers - they have a license for the tower information - while it costs nothing, it can not be re-distributed. I could 1) Delete the existing data and replace with 100% official data, but then the tower information would be lost. No. Don't do that. That is vandalism. Also OSM probably has some areas of existing data which is better than the official data and in these cases we don't want the official data we want what mappers have mapped as existing on the ground, not what the network operator says is there. 2) Only replace the missing lines, but then there would be inconsistencies (some with towers, some without). What is the preferred option? I'm tending to go with the second option, since from a brief inspection, the existing OSM ways are pretty accurate when compared with the official data. So long as the sources for each line are accurate it shouldn't be too much of an issue. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Tasmanian transmission line import
Hi everyone, I've received a KML of all of Tasmania's high voltage transmission lines from a representative of Transend Networks, with no restrictions on their usage, so I am free to upload these into OSM. At the moment in OSM, some lines already exist and include towers (sourced from bing imagery), some only have towers (most likely due to redaction), and some lines are not marked at all. The KML file includes only lines - not towers - they have a license for the tower information - while it costs nothing, it can not be re-distributed. I could 1) Delete the existing data and replace with 100% official data, but then the tower information would be lost. 2) Only replace the missing lines, but then there would be inconsistencies (some with towers, some without). What is the preferred option? I'm tending to go with the second option, since from a brief inspection, the existing OSM ways are pretty accurate when compared with the official data. So long as the sources for each line are accurate it shouldn't be too much of an issue. Regards, Charles Gregory ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tasmanian transmission line import
Hi, This needs to go through imports process (the imports list, and the imports on the wiki). We need to document the licence stuff so there are no problems later. Personally, I'd be inclined to sit on this for a month or two, until we are recovered from more of the redaction issues. Adding wires seems a bit like icing the cake when the sponge isn't set. And yes, the second would be my preferred option, too, but make the data available for people who want to merge. Ian. On 3 September 2012 21:25, Charles Gregory osm.li...@chuq.net wrote: Hi everyone, I've received a KML of all of Tasmania's high voltage transmission lines from a representative of Transend Networks, with no restrictions on their usage, so I am free to upload these into OSM. At the moment in OSM, some lines already exist and include towers (sourced from bing imagery), some only have towers (most likely due to redaction), and some lines are not marked at all. The KML file includes only lines - not towers - they have a license for the tower information - while it costs nothing, it can not be re-distributed. I could 1) Delete the existing data and replace with 100% official data, but then the tower information would be lost. 2) Only replace the missing lines, but then there would be inconsistencies (some with towers, some without). What is the preferred option? I'm tending to go with the second option, since from a brief inspection, the existing OSM ways are pretty accurate when compared with the official data. So long as the sources for each line are accurate it shouldn't be too much of an issue. Regards, Charles Gregory ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tasmanian transmission line import
Hi, Oh okay. If you are just using the KML as a background image, and copy/pasting segments after reviewing them in OSM then personally, I don't see any issues at all. I was just worried we were going to have an extra ton of fixme data, when we probably have enough to fix right now. Probably still a good idea to put the permission to use statement on the wiki (for future mappers to understand), and use a consistent source= so people understand where they came from. Thanks, Ian. On 4 September 2012 13:26, Charles Gregory osm.li...@chuq.net wrote: Hi Ian, Regarding the imports process, this wouldn't be a bulk automated import - rather, me loading the KML as a background image, then selecting individual ways and converting them to the appropriate type. There are less than 60 separate lines in the state (and many are already in OSM) so it wouldn't take me that long. Does that still need to go through the process? Regarding getting the license information in writing, that is one thing I hadn't considered, I will ask my contact for details on this. Happy to leave it for a while - although I thought I saw a notice recently that all redaction related changes were now complete? Regards, Charles On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This needs to go through imports process (the imports list, and the imports on the wiki). We need to document the licence stuff so there are no problems later. Personally, I'd be inclined to sit on this for a month or two, until we are recovered from more of the redaction issues. Adding wires seems a bit like icing the cake when the sponge isn't set. And yes, the second would be my preferred option, too, but make the data available for people who want to merge. Ian. On 3 September 2012 21:25, Charles Gregory osm.li...@chuq.net wrote: Hi everyone, I've received a KML of all of Tasmania's high voltage transmission lines from a representative of Transend Networks, with no restrictions on their usage, so I am free to upload these into OSM. At the moment in OSM, some lines already exist and include towers (sourced from bing imagery), some only have towers (most likely due to redaction), and some lines are not marked at all. The KML file includes only lines - not towers - they have a license for the tower information - while it costs nothing, it can not be re-distributed. I could 1) Delete the existing data and replace with 100% official data, but then the tower information would be lost. 2) Only replace the missing lines, but then there would be inconsistencies (some with towers, some without). What is the preferred option? I'm tending to go with the second option, since from a brief inspection, the existing OSM ways are pretty accurate when compared with the official data. So long as the sources for each line are accurate it shouldn't be too much of an issue. Regards, Charles Gregory ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tasmanian transmission line import
No problem. At the moment the test line I have added is tagged: power=line name=Lindisfarne-Sorell voltage=11 operator=Transend Networks source=Transend Networks Regards, Charles On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Oh okay. If you are just using the KML as a background image, and copy/pasting segments after reviewing them in OSM then personally, I don't see any issues at all. I was just worried we were going to have an extra ton of fixme data, when we probably have enough to fix right now. Probably still a good idea to put the permission to use statement on the wiki (for future mappers to understand), and use a consistent source= so people understand where they came from. Thanks, Ian. On 4 September 2012 13:26, Charles Gregory osm.li...@chuq.net wrote: Hi Ian, Regarding the imports process, this wouldn't be a bulk automated import - rather, me loading the KML as a background image, then selecting individual ways and converting them to the appropriate type. There are less than 60 separate lines in the state (and many are already in OSM) so it wouldn't take me that long. Does that still need to go through the process? Regarding getting the license information in writing, that is one thing I hadn't considered, I will ask my contact for details on this. Happy to leave it for a while - although I thought I saw a notice recently that all redaction related changes were now complete? Regards, Charles On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This needs to go through imports process (the imports list, and the imports on the wiki). We need to document the licence stuff so there are no problems later. Personally, I'd be inclined to sit on this for a month or two, until we are recovered from more of the redaction issues. Adding wires seems a bit like icing the cake when the sponge isn't set. And yes, the second would be my preferred option, too, but make the data available for people who want to merge. Ian. On 3 September 2012 21:25, Charles Gregory osm.li...@chuq.net wrote: Hi everyone, I've received a KML of all of Tasmania's high voltage transmission lines from a representative of Transend Networks, with no restrictions on their usage, so I am free to upload these into OSM. At the moment in OSM, some lines already exist and include towers (sourced from bing imagery), some only have towers (most likely due to redaction), and some lines are not marked at all. The KML file includes only lines - not towers - they have a license for the tower information - while it costs nothing, it can not be re-distributed. I could 1) Delete the existing data and replace with 100% official data, but then the tower information would be lost. 2) Only replace the missing lines, but then there would be inconsistencies (some with towers, some without). What is the preferred option? I'm tending to go with the second option, since from a brief inspection, the existing OSM ways are pretty accurate when compared with the official data. So long as the sources for each line are accurate it shouldn't be too much of an issue. Regards, Charles Gregory ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
