Re: [talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-09 Thread Andrew Laughton
> 2) It's clear that some people cannot access fosm.org even when it is up.  I
> think this is because some browsers don't support xslt.  More information
> would be helpful.  I will switch to server-side xslt if that is indeed the
> cause.


OK, i tried fosm.org, it worked.
I clicked on the "maps" link"http://fosm.org/poly/tah.html#2.00/34.4/-5.9";
and got a totally blank page.

Latest Firefox (5)  running on latest stable Kubuntu.

Andrew.

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Re: [talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-09 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:02:14 +0100
80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 3) (ok, three things), there is no map hosted as fosm.org at the
> moment, there are people working on rendering (such as bigtincan) and
> I'm happy to encourage such diversity as it makes the project
> stronger.  I'm trying to keep the core of fosm small and tight.  I
> don't want to create features like user dairies else I'd be accused
> of forking the community.  We all have the same goals, some people
> just want to license them differently.

So we would like a little code change and remove the 'map' link at the
top, with some text info to sharedmap.org and bigtincan
It will reduce some confusion.
Liz

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Re: [talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-09 Thread 80n
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:11 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Sam Couter  wrote:
>
>> > I personally cannot seem to be able to get any joy from fosm.org, at
>> > the moment I am just getting a "500 Internal Server Error" message.
>>
>> Me too. Previous efforts were more successful (no error messages), but
>> I've never seen a map, just a blank grey box where a map probably goes.
>>
>
> It has had some outages.
>
>
Two things:
1) fosm.org was unavailable for 12 hours today.  I think it went down just
as I stepped onto a plane, so I was unaware and unable to do anything about
it until back on terra firma.

2) It's clear that some people cannot access fosm.org even when it is up.  I
think this is because some browsers don't support xslt.  More information
would be helpful.  I will switch to server-side xslt if that is indeed the
cause.

3) (ok, three things), there is no map hosted as fosm.org at the moment,
there are people working on rendering (such as bigtincan) and I'm happy to
encourage such diversity as it makes the project stronger.  I'm trying to
keep the core of fosm small and tight.  I don't want to create features like
user dairies else I'd be accused of forking the community.  We all have the
same goals, some people just want to license them differently.




> The default layer on http://maps.bigtincan.com/ is rendering from fosm
> data.
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Re: [talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-08 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Sam Couter  wrote:

> > I personally cannot seem to be able to get any joy from fosm.org, at
> > the moment I am just getting a "500 Internal Server Error" message.
>
> Me too. Previous efforts were more successful (no error messages), but
> I've never seen a map, just a blank grey box where a map probably goes.
>

It has had some outages.

The default layer on http://maps.bigtincan.com/ is rendering from fosm data.
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Re: [talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-08 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi,
That would be Steve Coast as the Troll of the day.


CommonMap is the ccBY alternative (were also on the osm-fork mailing
list) and doing just fine, thanks :)


Now back to work on SchemaTroll 2.011


cheers,
Sam

On 7/8/11, Sam Couter  wrote:
> Andrew Laughton  wrote:
>> I would say a single troll, who it must be admitted has had quite a
>> reaction.
>
> Are you referring to me or Steve? I assume it's one of us given our
> message volume over the past couple of days. Name names! Quit being so
> passive-aggressive, poor communication like that is what causes these
> kinds of problems in the first place.
>
> Despite my disagreements with Steve, I don't think either of us is
> trolling, so either way you're wrong.
>
>> It might be to distract mappers from discussing what they are doing.
>
> Here's my bit, and I encourage others to discuss their intentions:
>
> My contributions have never been all that significant, so it doesn't
> really matter, but I'm not looking forward to seeing my past efforts
> disappear and I'm undecided if I'm going to continue in the future.
> FOSM doesn't yet seem to be a valid alternative either.
>
>> I personally cannot seem to be able to get any joy from fosm.org, at
>> the moment I am just getting a "500 Internal Server Error" message.
>
> Me too. Previous efforts were more successful (no error messages), but
> I've never seen a map, just a blank grey box where a map probably goes.
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Re: [talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-08 Thread Sam Couter
Andrew Laughton  wrote:
> I would say a single troll, who it must be admitted has had quite a reaction.

Are you referring to me or Steve? I assume it's one of us given our
message volume over the past couple of days. Name names! Quit being so
passive-aggressive, poor communication like that is what causes these
kinds of problems in the first place.

Despite my disagreements with Steve, I don't think either of us is
trolling, so either way you're wrong.

> It might be to distract mappers from discussing what they are doing.

Here's my bit, and I encourage others to discuss their intentions:

My contributions have never been all that significant, so it doesn't
really matter, but I'm not looking forward to seeing my past efforts
disappear and I'm undecided if I'm going to continue in the future.
FOSM doesn't yet seem to be a valid alternative either.

> I personally cannot seem to be able to get any joy from fosm.org, at
> the moment I am just getting a "500 Internal Server Error" message.

Me too. Previous efforts were more successful (no error messages), but
I've never seen a map, just a blank grey box where a map probably goes.
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Re: [talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-08 Thread Andrew Laughton
> So what has caused this earthquake and corresponding tsunami?

I would say a single troll, who it must be admitted has had quite a reaction.
It might be to distract mappers from discussing what they are doing.

I personally cannot seem to be able to get any joy from fosm.org, at
the moment I am just getting a "500 Internal Server Error" message.

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[talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-08 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
The quiet and languid mailing list of normally laid back Australians
exploded into vitriolic exchanges after a non-Australian hijacked a
thread on the list. 
A number of listees found themselves offended by rash statements and
then attempts were made to claim that white was black and black was
white.
I understand that this mail will not be read by the offending poster*,
as I would happily say that I am a friend of John Smith. I don't always
agree with him, but certainly we can discuss our differences without
the need for alcohol to keep the peace.
I am quite disturbed by the failure of the offending poster to even
follow the thread of his own argument. Sadly, I have to deal with
people like this every day, as I do see a large number of elderly and
dementing people in my job.

My biggest concern is quite different. What provoked this virtual visit
to the list? Why are rabble rousing Australians such a threat to a
world wide project? I thought that it came from our ability to think
for ourselves and make our own decisions, but the accusation was made
that we were drawn to our ways by the influence of a single Pom.

I have no recall of the offending poster appearing on the list before,
but do not claim to have searched the archives to support this
hypothesis. 
So what has caused this earthquake and corresponding tsunami?



* ie, the one who caused offence

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