Re: [talk-au] Cities in Australia

2015-11-14 Thread Ross 

Hi Leith,

Problem is that the place= definitions in the main part of the wiki 
really do not apply to Australia.


I'd consider Port Macquarie a city.

Cheers
Ross


On 14/11/15 15:07, Leith Bade wrote:

Hi Ross,

Yeah I finished adding population tags (and updating old ones) to all 
cities in Tasmania and NSW using the 2011 Census. It has seemed to 
help improve the map a bit.


I will also continue adding population to the other "Significant Urban 
Areas" that are towns as defined by Census. Hopefully these get picked 
up. However maybe these significant towns should be made "cities" for 
the purposes of OSM to remain consistent. E.g. Port Macquarie is 
technically still a town, but is bigger than a number of regional NSW 
cities.


Thanks,
Leith Bade
le...@mapbox.com 

On 13 November 2015 at 22:24, Ross > wrote:


Hi Again,

This has been discussed before:


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#City.2C_Town_or_Village.3F

I'd suggest searching/reading the wiki to see what's been accepted
and why things are as they are.

Adding a population key is probably a good idea though.

Cheers
Ross



On 13/11/15 18:42, Leith Bade wrote:

Hi,

I have been working in OSMI to tidy up Australia's places. My
goal is to try and get it roughly in line with the quality in New
Zealand.

There are a few places with non-numeric population tags, a few
labelled "town" but the population is tiny (100-200).

I have been trying to work out a reasonably consistent
methodology for City vs Town.

I am thinking of ensuring that all "City" councils are listed as
a city.

Additionally every "City" should have a recent population tag
which I have been taking from the 2011 Census. This makes it
easier for people making maps from the data as they can
differentiate large/small cities.

As for very small "towns" the situation is less clear. Most towns
don't have a population tag so OSMI does not flag them, the few
that do get flagged. I think we will just have to leave those as
is since the local community will have a better sense of if the
locals consider a place to be a town or a village.

Thanks,
Leith Bade
le...@mapbox.com 


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Re: [talk-au] Cities in Australia

2015-11-13 Thread Ross 

Hi Again,

This has been discussed before:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#City.2C_Town_or_Village.3F

I'd suggest searching/reading the wiki to see what's been accepted and 
why things are as they are.


Adding a population key is probably a good idea though.

Cheers
Ross


On 13/11/15 18:42, Leith Bade wrote:

Hi,

I have been working in OSMI to tidy up Australia's places. My goal is 
to try and get it roughly in line with the quality in New Zealand.


There are a few places with non-numeric population tags, a few 
labelled "town" but the population is tiny (100-200).


I have been trying to work out a reasonably consistent methodology for 
City vs Town.


I am thinking of ensuring that all "City" councils are listed as a city.

Additionally every "City" should have a recent population tag which I 
have been taking from the 2011 Census. This makes it easier for people 
making maps from the data as they can differentiate large/small cities.


As for very small "towns" the situation is less clear. Most towns 
don't have a population tag so OSMI does not flag them, the few that 
do get flagged. I think we will just have to leave those as is since 
the local community will have a better sense of if the locals consider 
a place to be a town or a village.


Thanks,
Leith Bade
le...@mapbox.com 


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Re: [talk-au] Cities in Australia

2015-11-13 Thread Leith Bade 
Hi Ross,

Yeah I finished adding population tags (and updating old ones) to all
cities in Tasmania and NSW using the 2011 Census. It has seemed to help
improve the map a bit.

I will also continue adding population to the other "Significant Urban
Areas" that are towns as defined by Census. Hopefully these get picked up.
However maybe these significant towns should be made "cities" for the
purposes of OSM to remain consistent. E.g. Port Macquarie is technically
still a town, but is bigger than a number of regional NSW cities.

Thanks,
Leith Bade
le...@mapbox.com

On 13 November 2015 at 22:24, Ross  wrote:

> Hi Again,
>
> This has been discussed before:
>
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#City.2C_Town_or_Village.3F
>
> I'd suggest searching/reading the wiki to see what's been accepted and why
> things are as they are.
>
> Adding a population key is probably a good idea though.
>
> Cheers
> Ross
>
>
>
> On 13/11/15 18:42, Leith Bade wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have been working in OSMI to tidy up Australia's places. My goal is to
> try and get it roughly in line with the quality in New Zealand.
>
> There are a few places with non-numeric population tags, a few labelled
> "town" but the population is tiny (100-200).
>
> I have been trying to work out a reasonably consistent methodology for
> City vs Town.
>
> I am thinking of ensuring that all "City" councils are listed as a city.
>
> Additionally every "City" should have a recent population tag which I have
> been taking from the 2011 Census. This makes it easier for people making
> maps from the data as they can differentiate large/small cities.
>
> As for very small "towns" the situation is less clear. Most towns don't
> have a population tag so OSMI does not flag them, the few that do get
> flagged. I think we will just have to leave those as is since the local
> community will have a better sense of if the locals consider a place to be
> a town or a village.
>
> Thanks,
> Leith Bade
> le...@mapbox.com
>
>
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