Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Re: data.sa.gov.au
Well done. Thanks for following it up. - Ben Kelley On 25 Jul 2013 16:19, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote: I've now obtained permission and recorded it at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#South_Australian_Government_data This is really very helpful as it allows: * at least a first pass for filling in nonames roads * geo-referencing Bing photos against property boundaries at least near the CBD * accurate Local Government and Suburb boundaries as opposed to ABS approximations * more bike lanes, playgrounds, fire stations, ambulance stations etc. to be included I followed a similar path to what was used for data.gov.au, and would comment that the day to write seeking permission/clarification is today as it takes a while, but the outcome is worth it. Anyway I'm excited and quite pleased, just wish I had more time for mapping. Alex Original Message Subject: Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 21:35:55 +0930 From: Alex Sims a...@softgrow.coma...@softgrow.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org I'm just writing an email now to seek a similar agreement for sa.data.gov.au as for data.gov.au Alex On 25/05/2013 5:23 PM, Paul Norman wrote: The only issue with CC BY is that some data owners believe that attribution “reasonable to the medium” is more than the ODbL guarantees which allows “notices in a location … where users would be likely to look for it” such as a wiki page linked from /copyright or in the case of produced works, a “notice … reasonably calculated to make [anyone] aware that Content was obtained from the Database” (The “Database” in that quote would be what was provided under CC BY). ** ** Some cities releasing data as CC BY insisted that only mention on any page where the map was viewed was reasonable, which is clearly unreasonable when there can be dozens of sources on one page, or even hundreds. ** ** *From:* Ian Sergeant [mailto:inas66+...@gmail.com inas66+...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:09 AM *To:* Daniel O'Connor *Cc:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au ** ** Hi Daniel, The first step should be to find out if they are willing to have their data relicenced under our licence? CC-BY data is nice, and means that the data owner is likely only seeking attribution (which we do provide) but my understanding is that it is still insufficient for us to use without further permission from the data owner. Pointers to our attribution page have worked in the past in gaining such permission. Ian. On 24 May 2013 18:58, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote:*** * The SA govt has joined many of the other state/local governments in publishing open data. ** ** The current implementation is powered by CKAN, and though I haven't seen it yet, appears to be leveraging openstreetmap / cloudmade in some fashion. ** ** Anyway, the majority of the data sets are CC-A licensed, and in either CSV or Shapefile format: ** ** Some initial things that might be worth importing/using as a reference/looking into: http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/major-and-minor-roads http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/library-locations http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/parks-and-reserves http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/sa-playgrounds http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/stormwater-nodes http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/surface-water-catchments http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries and of course: http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/centrelink-office-locations ** ** Not sure how much overlap with data.gov.au data sets (assume some). ** ** Anyone want to have a look around and 1) Call out the things you think are missing 2) Call out the things you'd want to have imported or manually transcribed into open street map ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Re: data.sa.gov.au
Top job. Looks like the walls are tumbling down and access been gradually granted to government data. Cheers Brett Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:40:02 +1000 From: ben.kel...@gmail.com To: a...@softgrow.com CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Re: data.sa.gov.au Well done. Thanks for following it up. - Ben Kelley On 25 Jul 2013 16:19, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote: I've now obtained permission and recorded it at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#South_Australian_Government_data This is really very helpful as it allows: * at least a first pass for filling in nonames roads * geo-referencing Bing photos against property boundaries at least near the CBD * accurate Local Government and Suburb boundaries as opposed to ABS approximations * more bike lanes, playgrounds, fire stations, ambulance stations etc. to be included I followed a similar path to what was used for data.gov.au, and would comment that the day to write seeking permission/clarification is today as it takes a while, but the outcome is worth it. Anyway I'm excited and quite pleased, just wish I had more time for mapping. Alex Original Message Subject: Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 21:35:55 +0930 From: Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org I'm just writing an email now to seek a similar agreement for sa.data.gov.au as for data.gov.au Alex On 25/05/2013 5:23 PM, Paul Norman wrote: The only issue with CC BY is that some data owners believe that attribution “reasonable to the medium” is more than the ODbL guarantees which allows “notices in a location … where users would be likely to look for it” such as a wiki page linked from /copyright or in the case of produced works, a “notice … reasonably calculated to make [anyone] aware that Content was obtained from the Database” (The “Database” in that quote would be what was provided under CC BY). Some cities releasing data as CC BY insisted that only mention on any page where the map was viewed was reasonable, which is clearly unreasonable when there can be dozens of sources on one page, or even hundreds. From: Ian Sergeant [mailto:inas66+...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:09 AM To: Daniel O'Connor Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au Hi Daniel, The first step should be to find out if they are willing to have their data relicenced under our licence? CC-BY data is nice, and means that the data owner is likely only seeking attribution (which we do provide) but my understanding is that it is still insufficient for us to use without further permission from the data owner. Pointers to our attribution page have worked in the past in gaining such permission. Ian. On 24 May 2013 18:58, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote: The SA govt has joined many of the other state/local governments in publishing open data. The current implementation is powered by CKAN, and though I haven't seen it yet, appears to be leveraging openstreetmap / cloudmade in some fashion. Anyway, the majority of the data sets are CC-A licensed, and in either CSV or Shapefile format: Some initial things that might be worth importing/using as a reference/looking into: http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/major-and-minor-roads
