Re: [talk-au] General Observations.
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: If the info in the database is Alpha St then what's to say the it is not Alpha Saint or Alpha Strip or Alpha Street and so you end up with lot's of extraneous results. By entering the full type of street, road, etc it's then just a matter of having an appropriate abbreviation look up table to convert from before searching going the other way is more difficult. So entering Alpha Street will return the correct info but likewise so will Alpha St. I honestly think it's a totally arbitrary decision whether we do the interpretation of St - Street (and vice versa) at the time we record it, or at the time we generate a map. But we've made the decision (we expand them at the time we record it), so let's just stick with it and be consistent. We should also make our tools as flexible as possible, to allow people to search both abbreviated and unabbreviated forms. Even to the extent that Saint Kilda should work, even though it's never ever spelt out like that. (There never was a saint by that name...) Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] General Observations.
On 22 May 2010 14:36, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: stick with it and be consistent. We should also make our tools as flexible as possible, to allow people to search both abbreviated and unabbreviated forms. Even to the extent that Saint Kilda should work, even though it's never ever spelt out like that. (There never was a saint by that name...) Is there any direct OSM tools that doesn't have this feature already? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] General Observations.
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Liz wrote: There are some difficult ones which relate to Crescent and similar endings. crescent / court / circuit and green / grove If we can't expand it, we should find out. Email the local council and ask for the street name; knock on doors and ask the residents. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] General Observations.
On 20 May 2010 11:01, Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au wrote: Brisbane regularly have the street type abbreviated (ST, RD, MWY, ART) and I think it is better to record the in the field name as such. Even with accurate capitalisation. Think tourists who aren't familiar with the way we do things around here. You are confusing use with recording, if you record the actual street type, software can then convert both the searches and the output to show what people expect, some street types have multiple abbreviations and would be even more difficult to search. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] General Observations.
On Thu, 20 May 2010 11:01:43 +1000 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au wrote: On Sun, 9 May 2010 18:59:25 +1000, Ross Scanlon wrote: 7. Abbreviations - Abbreviations in street names are a no no. Read the wiki page at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name, DONT do it. At the moment in the Bunbury area alone there are 380+ abreviated street names (according to josm validator). I actually would like to discuss this a bit further. Street signs in Brisbane regularly have the street type abbreviated (ST, RD, MWY, ART) and I think it is better to record the in the field name as such. Even with accurate capitalisation. Not just in Brisbane most of Australia has street signs this way. Think tourists who aren't familiar with the way we do things around here. I has nothing to do with usage it has everything to do with storage in the database. If we tell a tourist to go to Alpha Street they can then enter into a search engine Aplha Street or Alpha St or Alpha Str and the search engine can then search appropriately. If the info in the database is Alpha St then what's to say the it is not Alpha Saint or Alpha Strip or Alpha Street and so you end up with lot's of extraneous results. By entering the full type of street, road, etc it's then just a matter of having an appropriate abbreviation look up table to convert from before searching going the other way is more difficult. So entering Alpha Street will return the correct info but likewise so will Alpha St. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] General Observations.
On Thu, 20 May 2010 09:59:21 +0800, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Street types are covered by AS4590, Interchange of client information, Australia Post Address Presentation Standard. See also: http://meteor.aihw.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/270020/meteorItemView/long I've added all the street name abbreviations I know to the list at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Name_finder:Abbreviations#English I think it's important that what is stored in the database must be as unambiguous as possible. That means I totally agree with the no abbreviations policy. It also means there's a couple of St . that I need to go back and fix to Saint .. -- Andrew Gregory mailto:and...@scss.com.au http://www.scss.com.au/family/andrew/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] General Observations.
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au wrote: Yes, I would be *recording* what I *saw* in the field. FWIW, I think Brendan's got a good point. It comes down to what's verifiable. I disagree with Ross that an abbreviation mapping can only work one way. It is possible to search for a Street and find a St just as it is possible to search for a St and find a Street. However, I don't think it's worth trying to change the convention at this point. Spell Street in full, even if you only see St - only because it's a convention that would be hard to change. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] General Observations.
On 20 May 2010 12:12, Andrew Gregory and...@scss.com.au wrote: abbreviations policy. It also means there's a couple of St . that I need to go back and fix to Saint .. Saint can be either St or Saint, eg St George shouldn't be expanded. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Invalid_Abbreviation_Expansion ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] General Observations.
From: Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com Have a look at Auckland NZ for some really excellent landuse mapping. Could list members also please take a look at my local area (Alberton, Rosewater, Pennington SA) where I'm nearly finished putting in all the footpaths and land use. Please do zoom in and let me know if I'm not tagging things right. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.85789lon=138.52471zoom=16layers=B000FTF Regards, Simon. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
