Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Andrew Harvey]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 at 22:51, Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

> I did send a message to a few from New Caledonia, so I'll see if I heard
> back.
>

I got a few people reply with feedback that they thought it would be good
to include New Caledonia.
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Andrew Harvey]

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 13:31, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> But I personally agree that we need to reach out and canvass any local
>> communities that may exist, for their thoughts. We do have some reach via
>> existing OSGeo community, mailing lists, travel grant program, and other
>> networks.
>>
>> After putting in our best effort, if there are countries where there is
>> no feedback, are we in a position to form a regional chapter including
>> those countries, under the assumption that we aren't stepping on any toes?
>>
>
> I would think we'd be OK, as long as we can show that we've made the
> effort?
>
> & if, some years down the track, "Palau" (picking a name at random) wanted
> to form it's own chapter, I would think we would then offer them every
> assistance possible :-)
>

In an effort to try to outreach existing OSM community members in Oceania,
I've taken a look at recent contributors to Oceania countries at
http://osmstats.neis-one.org/?item=countries, although it only shows
activity from the last two months, most of the top contributors are likely
just on holidays or remote mapping, so it's proving hard to identify any
locals who are already in the community.

I did send a message to a few from New Caledonia, so I'll see if I heard
back.
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Ewen Hill]

Good morning,
Perhaps a general clause in there to state that we strive to encourage
local determination and to assist and support in this process within the
bounds of the master agreement and to encourage all countries and regions
to be both proactive and representative and not to discriminate through
language, culture and distance.

We don't know what the next decade will through us, both politically
and technically. Let's state that the organisation is all-encompassing and
work through the issues if and when they occur.

Ewen

Ewen

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 10:05, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:

> In situations where there isn't any existing representation currently, I
> would see an entity as helping generate that activity. If I was a new
> mapper/geospatial professional in any of those locations, I would feel more
> comfortable starting out knowing that there were existing
> networks/knowledge I could tap into/contribute to.
>
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 02:20, Sebastian S.  wrote:
>
>> What is the benefit of including these regions if there is no
>> representation? (Based in the assumption that no one will claim
>> representation)
>>
>> What about an opt in/out for these regions? If at a later point in time a
>> separate chapter wants to form they should be able to. Or maybe the general
>> view is that a larger chapter can achieve more for these smaller regions.
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>> On 2 June 2019 11:29:19 am GMT+08:00, Graeme Fitzpatrick <
>> graemefi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 at 20:08, John Bryant  wrote:
>>>

 Re: geographic extent, one of the definitions we've been using for
 other purposes (eg conference travel grants) is the UN geoscheme for
 Oceania:

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_geoscheme_for_Oceania

>>>
>>> Interesting bit I just noticed off that map / list ...
>>>
>>> Sub-regions are A-NZ, Micro-, Mela- & Polynesia, none of which include
>>> Hawaii, but Honolulu is listed as one of the largest cities?
>>>
>>> I think we would definitely be stepping on toes if we tried to pinch
>>> Hawaii! :-) (although I don't know how Guam, New Caledonia etc would work -
>>> as mentioned, Oceania or US & France? I can see that there is a New
>>> Caledonia mailing list, but no separate list for Hawaii or any of the other
>>> Pacific nations.)
>>>
>>> But I personally agree that we need to reach out and canvass any local
 communities that may exist, for their thoughts. We do have some reach via
 existing OSGeo community, mailing lists, travel grant program, and other
 networks.

 After putting in our best effort, if there are countries where there is
 no feedback, are we in a position to form a regional chapter including
 those countries, under the assumption that we aren't stepping on any toes?

>>>
>>> I would think we'd be OK, as long as we can show that we've made the
>>> effort?
>>>
>>> & if, some years down the track, "Palau" (picking a name at random)
>>> wanted to form it's own chapter, I would think we would then offer them
>>> every assistance possible :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Graeme
>>>
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Edoardo Neerhut]

In situations where there isn't any existing representation currently, I
would see an entity as helping generate that activity. If I was a new
mapper/geospatial professional in any of those locations, I would feel more
comfortable starting out knowing that there were existing
networks/knowledge I could tap into/contribute to.

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 02:20, Sebastian S.  wrote:

> What is the benefit of including these regions if there is no
> representation? (Based in the assumption that no one will claim
> representation)
>
> What about an opt in/out for these regions? If at a later point in time a
> separate chapter wants to form they should be able to. Or maybe the general
> view is that a larger chapter can achieve more for these smaller regions.
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> On 2 June 2019 11:29:19 am GMT+08:00, Graeme Fitzpatrick <
> graemefi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 at 20:08, John Bryant  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Re: geographic extent, one of the definitions we've been using for other
>>> purposes (eg conference travel grants) is the UN geoscheme for Oceania:
>>>
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_geoscheme_for_Oceania
>>>
>>
>> Interesting bit I just noticed off that map / list ...
>>
>> Sub-regions are A-NZ, Micro-, Mela- & Polynesia, none of which include
>> Hawaii, but Honolulu is listed as one of the largest cities?
>>
>> I think we would definitely be stepping on toes if we tried to pinch
>> Hawaii! :-) (although I don't know how Guam, New Caledonia etc would work -
>> as mentioned, Oceania or US & France? I can see that there is a New
>> Caledonia mailing list, but no separate list for Hawaii or any of the other
>> Pacific nations.)
>>
>> But I personally agree that we need to reach out and canvass any local
>>> communities that may exist, for their thoughts. We do have some reach via
>>> existing OSGeo community, mailing lists, travel grant program, and other
>>> networks.
>>>
>>> After putting in our best effort, if there are countries where there is
>>> no feedback, are we in a position to form a regional chapter including
>>> those countries, under the assumption that we aren't stepping on any toes?
>>>
>>
>> I would think we'd be OK, as long as we can show that we've made the
>> effort?
>>
>> & if, some years down the track, "Palau" (picking a name at random)
>> wanted to form it's own chapter, I would think we would then offer them
>> every assistance possible :-)
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Sebastian S.]

What is the benefit of including these regions if there is no representation? 
(Based in the assumption that no one will claim representation)

What about an opt in/out for these regions? If at a later point in time a 
separate chapter wants to form they should be able to. Or maybe the general 
view is that a larger chapter can achieve more for these smaller regions.
-- 
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On 2 June 2019 11:29:19 am GMT+08:00, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
 wrote:
>On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 at 20:08, John Bryant  wrote:
>
>>
>> Re: geographic extent, one of the definitions we've been using for
>other
>> purposes (eg conference travel grants) is the UN geoscheme for
>Oceania:
>>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_geoscheme_for_Oceania
>>
>
>Interesting bit I just noticed off that map / list ...
>
>Sub-regions are A-NZ, Micro-, Mela- & Polynesia, none of which include
>Hawaii, but Honolulu is listed as one of the largest cities?
>
>I think we would definitely be stepping on toes if we tried to pinch
>Hawaii! :-) (although I don't know how Guam, New Caledonia etc would
>work -
>as mentioned, Oceania or US & France? I can see that there is a New
>Caledonia mailing list, but no separate list for Hawaii or any of the
>other
>Pacific nations.)
>
>But I personally agree that we need to reach out and canvass any local
>> communities that may exist, for their thoughts. We do have some reach
>via
>> existing OSGeo community, mailing lists, travel grant program, and
>other
>> networks.
>>
>> After putting in our best effort, if there are countries where there
>is no
>> feedback, are we in a position to form a regional chapter including
>those
>> countries, under the assumption that we aren't stepping on any toes?
>>
>
>I would think we'd be OK, as long as we can show that we've made the
>effort?
>
>& if, some years down the track, "Palau" (picking a name at random)
>wanted
>to form it's own chapter, I would think we would then offer them every
>assistance possible :-)
>
>Thanks
>
>Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 at 20:08, John Bryant  wrote:

>
> Re: geographic extent, one of the definitions we've been using for other
> purposes (eg conference travel grants) is the UN geoscheme for Oceania:
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_geoscheme_for_Oceania
>

Interesting bit I just noticed off that map / list ...

Sub-regions are A-NZ, Micro-, Mela- & Polynesia, none of which include
Hawaii, but Honolulu is listed as one of the largest cities?

I think we would definitely be stepping on toes if we tried to pinch
Hawaii! :-) (although I don't know how Guam, New Caledonia etc would work -
as mentioned, Oceania or US & France? I can see that there is a New
Caledonia mailing list, but no separate list for Hawaii or any of the other
Pacific nations.)

But I personally agree that we need to reach out and canvass any local
> communities that may exist, for their thoughts. We do have some reach via
> existing OSGeo community, mailing lists, travel grant program, and other
> networks.
>
> After putting in our best effort, if there are countries where there is no
> feedback, are we in a position to form a regional chapter including those
> countries, under the assumption that we aren't stepping on any toes?
>

I would think we'd be OK, as long as we can show that we've made the effort?

& if, some years down the track, "Palau" (picking a name at random) wanted
to form it's own chapter, I would think we would then offer them every
assistance possible :-)

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[John Bryant]

Great questions...

Re: geographic extent, one of the definitions we've been using for other
purposes (eg conference travel grants) is the UN geoscheme for Oceania:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_geoscheme_for_Oceania

But I personally agree that we need to reach out and canvass any local
communities that may exist, for their thoughts. We do have some reach via
existing OSGeo community, mailing lists, travel grant program, and other
networks.

After putting in our best effort, if there are countries where there is no
feedback, are we in a position to form a regional chapter including those
countries, under the assumption that we aren't stepping on any toes?

John

On Sat., 1 Jun. 2019, 9:18 am Ewen Hill,  wrote:

> Andrew John, Ed et al,
>The proposal looks good however do we need to discuss the inclusion of
> Hawaii and perhaps Guam as they may be more appropriate under a US auspices
> or is it best to use the UN definition that excludes a number of these to
> be succinctly clear what is in and what is not.
>
> Ewen
>
> On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 at 15:37, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 27 May 2019 at 13:06, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:
>>
>>> Simon, you raise a good point! What do you all think is an effective way
>>> to get this input? Reach out to people we know are active mappers in
>>> Oceania and see if they would like their country to be represented?
>>>
>>> On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 21:18, Andrew Harvey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 19:12, Simon Poole  wrote:

> I think my immediate and largest concern if I was reviewing the
> application (which I am not) would be: Oceania isn't just about
> Australia.
>

 I would expect nothing less from the OSMF.

 Have OSM communities outside of AUS (and NZ) even been addressed? While
> not totally cast in stone, there is an assumption that territorial
> chapters are awarded exclusive rights for the territories in question
> and I'm fairly sure the application will blow up in a big way if this
> is
> not considered.
>

>> I agree that Simon has raised a very valid point, but, without wishing to
>> sound rude or condescending in any way, would the various small island
>> nations have the resources to set up their own Chapters?
>>
>>
>>> I agree. There has been bit of discussion within the OSGeo Oceania
 committee regarding this.

 My opinion is we should only include countries where the local OSM
 community actively voice they want it.

>>>
>> Are there even any OSM mappers in some of them?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Ewen Hill]

Andrew John, Ed et al,
   The proposal looks good however do we need to discuss the inclusion of
Hawaii and perhaps Guam as they may be more appropriate under a US auspices
or is it best to use the UN definition that excludes a number of these to
be succinctly clear what is in and what is not.

Ewen

On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 at 15:37, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 27 May 2019 at 13:06, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:
>
>> Simon, you raise a good point! What do you all think is an effective way
>> to get this input? Reach out to people we know are active mappers in
>> Oceania and see if they would like their country to be represented?
>>
>> On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 21:18, Andrew Harvey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 19:12, Simon Poole  wrote:
>>>
 I think my immediate and largest concern if I was reviewing the
 application (which I am not) would be: Oceania isn't just about
 Australia.

>>>
>>> I would expect nothing less from the OSMF.
>>>
>>> Have OSM communities outside of AUS (and NZ) even been addressed? While
 not totally cast in stone, there is an assumption that territorial
 chapters are awarded exclusive rights for the territories in question
 and I'm fairly sure the application will blow up in a big way if this is
 not considered.

>>>
> I agree that Simon has raised a very valid point, but, without wishing to
> sound rude or condescending in any way, would the various small island
> nations have the resources to set up their own Chapters?
>
>
>> I agree. There has been bit of discussion within the OSGeo Oceania
>>> committee regarding this.
>>>
>>> My opinion is we should only include countries where the local OSM
>>> community actively voice they want it.
>>>
>>
> Are there even any OSM mappers in some of them?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Mon, 27 May 2019 at 13:06, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:

> Simon, you raise a good point! What do you all think is an effective way
> to get this input? Reach out to people we know are active mappers in
> Oceania and see if they would like their country to be represented?
>
> On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 21:18, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 19:12, Simon Poole  wrote:
>>
>>> I think my immediate and largest concern if I was reviewing the
>>> application (which I am not) would be: Oceania isn't just about
>>> Australia.
>>>
>>
>> I would expect nothing less from the OSMF.
>>
>> Have OSM communities outside of AUS (and NZ) even been addressed? While
>>> not totally cast in stone, there is an assumption that territorial
>>> chapters are awarded exclusive rights for the territories in question
>>> and I'm fairly sure the application will blow up in a big way if this is
>>> not considered.
>>>
>>
I agree that Simon has raised a very valid point, but, without wishing to
sound rude or condescending in any way, would the various small island
nations have the resources to set up their own Chapters?


> I agree. There has been bit of discussion within the OSGeo Oceania
>> committee regarding this.
>>
>> My opinion is we should only include countries where the local OSM
>> community actively voice they want it.
>>
>
Are there even any OSM mappers in some of them?

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Edoardo Neerhut]

Thanks for the effort you've put into this Andrew.

Simon, you raise a good point! What do you all think is an effective way to
get this input? Reach out to people we know are active mappers in Oceania
and see if they would like their country to be represented?

On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 21:18, Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

> On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 19:12, Simon Poole  wrote:
>
>> I think my immediate and largest concern if I was reviewing the
>> application (which I am not) would be: Oceania isn't just about Australia.
>>
>
> I would expect nothing less from the OSMF.
>
> Have OSM communities outside of AUS (and NZ) even been addressed? While
>> not totally cast in stone, there is an assumption that territorial
>> chapters are awarded exclusive rights for the territories in question
>> and I'm fairly sure the application will blow up in a big way if this is
>> not considered.
>>
>
> I agree. There has been bit of discussion within the OSGeo Oceania
> committee regarding this.
>
> My opinion is we should only include countries where the local OSM
> community actively voice they want it.
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

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On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 19:12, Simon Poole  wrote:

> I think my immediate and largest concern if I was reviewing the
> application (which I am not) would be: Oceania isn't just about Australia.
>

I would expect nothing less from the OSMF.

Have OSM communities outside of AUS (and NZ) even been addressed? While
> not totally cast in stone, there is an assumption that territorial
> chapters are awarded exclusive rights for the territories in question
> and I'm fairly sure the application will blow up in a big way if this is
> not considered.
>

I agree. There has been bit of discussion within the OSGeo Oceania
committee regarding this.

My opinion is we should only include countries where the local OSM
community actively voice they want it.
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Simon Poole]

I think my immediate and largest concern if I was reviewing the
application (which I am not) would be: Oceania isn't just about Australia.

Have OSM communities outside of AUS (and NZ) even been addressed? While
not totally cast in stone, there is an assumption that territorial
chapters are awarded exclusive rights for the territories in question
and I'm fairly sure the application will blow up in a big way if this is
not considered.

Simon


Am 18.05.2019 um 07:48 schrieb Andrew Harvey:
> Hi All,
>
> As my role on the OSGeo Oceania board I've been drafting up OSGeo
> Oceania's application to become an OSMF Local Chapter, at the moment
> the application is still in the works but any comments are most
> welcome.
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GAMY_pLAUMXe-PjJhQ4C4Eqvn2rq9xEt2mse3WexNxg/
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 10:02, John Bryant  wrote:
>> Maritjn, thank you, that would be much appreciated!
>>
>> Andrew Harvey is on our Board and will likely want to be involved in this as 
>> well, I imagine. There has been some talk about an OSM sub-committee of 
>> sorts, I suppose this will come in due course but thought it might become 
>> relevant to this discussion.
>>
>> Re: timing - I'd think we'd be keen to gain local chapter status as soon as 
>> possible after we form an entity (targeting end April), so perhaps we can 
>> aim to make a submission to OSMF in early May? This would likely help us 
>> build up the SotM part of FOSS4G SotM Oceania...
>>
>> Cheers
>> John
>>
>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 08:07, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>>> John — I used to be OSMF secretary and have guided multiple local groups 
>>> through the OSMF LC application process. I am no longer on the board but 
>>> know the current secretary, and am happy to help with the process if needed.
>>>
>>> Martijn
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 8:41 PM, John Bryant  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Graeme, thanks a lot for bringing it up, it's a good opportunity to 
>>> share a work-in-progress.
>>>
>>> Yes, there is work going on right now, and apologies for not making it more 
>>> widely known... we're scrambling a bit to pull together both this and the 
>>> 2019 conference, trying to get a number of balls rolling at once.
>>>
>>> The committee that organised FOSS4G SotM Oceania in November is in the 
>>> process of doing the legwork to form an entity. Right now, we are pulling 
>>> together a draft recommendation that we'll share with the community for 
>>> feedback. Aiming to have this draft complete by the 15th, and then open it 
>>> up to the community for a two week consultation period. Presuming that 
>>> leads to a recommendation to form an entity, we should have something in 
>>> place by the end of April.
>>>
>>> Forming local chapters of OSMF and OSGeo is one of the key reasons to do 
>>> this - also it will make it a lot easier to manage funds and sign contracts 
>>> when organising community events like the conference.
>>>
>>> Again, sorry for the lack of communication - we definitely intend to grow 
>>> this organisation, the immediate priority is to build a strong foundation, 
>>> and to do this we need to communicate. Hopefully we can catch our breath 
>>> shortly here and re-prioritise the engagement of the community. In the 
>>> meantime, what kinds of activities would you see a local chapter of OSMF 
>>> undertaking?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 13:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick  
>>> wrote:
 There was mention late last year of setting up a local Chapter
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2018-December/012227.html,
  but haven't heard anything further since?

 Just been doing some random browsing & found this
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Australia, 
 which discussed the same thing back in 2010.

 Is any of that info still relevant?

 Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Andrew Harvey]

Hi All,

As my role on the OSGeo Oceania board I've been drafting up OSGeo
Oceania's application to become an OSMF Local Chapter, at the moment
the application is still in the works but any comments are most
welcome.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GAMY_pLAUMXe-PjJhQ4C4Eqvn2rq9xEt2mse3WexNxg/


On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 10:02, John Bryant  wrote:
>
> Maritjn, thank you, that would be much appreciated!
>
> Andrew Harvey is on our Board and will likely want to be involved in this as 
> well, I imagine. There has been some talk about an OSM sub-committee of 
> sorts, I suppose this will come in due course but thought it might become 
> relevant to this discussion.
>
> Re: timing - I'd think we'd be keen to gain local chapter status as soon as 
> possible after we form an entity (targeting end April), so perhaps we can aim 
> to make a submission to OSMF in early May? This would likely help us build up 
> the SotM part of FOSS4G SotM Oceania...
>
> Cheers
> John
>
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 08:07, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>>
>> John — I used to be OSMF secretary and have guided multiple local groups 
>> through the OSMF LC application process. I am no longer on the board but 
>> know the current secretary, and am happy to help with the process if needed.
>>
>> Martijn
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 8:41 PM, John Bryant  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Graeme, thanks a lot for bringing it up, it's a good opportunity to share 
>> a work-in-progress.
>>
>> Yes, there is work going on right now, and apologies for not making it more 
>> widely known... we're scrambling a bit to pull together both this and the 
>> 2019 conference, trying to get a number of balls rolling at once.
>>
>> The committee that organised FOSS4G SotM Oceania in November is in the 
>> process of doing the legwork to form an entity. Right now, we are pulling 
>> together a draft recommendation that we'll share with the community for 
>> feedback. Aiming to have this draft complete by the 15th, and then open it 
>> up to the community for a two week consultation period. Presuming that leads 
>> to a recommendation to form an entity, we should have something in place by 
>> the end of April.
>>
>> Forming local chapters of OSMF and OSGeo is one of the key reasons to do 
>> this - also it will make it a lot easier to manage funds and sign contracts 
>> when organising community events like the conference.
>>
>> Again, sorry for the lack of communication - we definitely intend to grow 
>> this organisation, the immediate priority is to build a strong foundation, 
>> and to do this we need to communicate. Hopefully we can catch our breath 
>> shortly here and re-prioritise the engagement of the community. In the 
>> meantime, what kinds of activities would you see a local chapter of OSMF 
>> undertaking?
>>
>> Cheers
>> John
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 13:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There was mention late last year of setting up a local Chapter
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2018-December/012227.html,
>>>  but haven't heard anything further since?
>>>
>>> Just been doing some random browsing & found this
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Australia, 
>>> which discussed the same thing back in 2010.
>>>
>>> Is any of that info still relevant?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[John Bryant]

Maritjn, thank you, that would be much appreciated!

Andrew Harvey is on our Board and will likely want to be involved in this
as well, I imagine. There has been some talk about an OSM sub-committee of
sorts, I suppose this will come in due course but thought it might become
relevant to this discussion.

Re: timing - I'd think we'd be keen to gain local chapter status as soon as
possible after we form an entity (targeting end April), so perhaps we can
aim to make a submission to OSMF in early May? This would likely help us
build up the SotM part of FOSS4G SotM Oceania...

Cheers
John

On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 08:07, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> John — I used to be OSMF secretary and have guided multiple local groups
> through the OSMF LC application process. I am no longer on the board but
> know the current secretary, and am happy to help with the process if needed.
>
> Martijn
>
> On Mar 4, 2019, at 8:41 PM, John Bryant  wrote:
>
> Hi Graeme, thanks a lot for bringing it up, it's a good opportunity to
> share a work-in-progress.
>
> Yes, there is work going on right now, and apologies for not making it
> more widely known... we're scrambling a bit to pull together both this and
> the 2019 conference, trying to get a number of balls rolling at once.
>
> The committee that organised FOSS4G SotM Oceania in November is in the
> process of doing the legwork to form an entity. Right now, we are pulling
> together a draft recommendation that we'll share with the community for
> feedback. Aiming to have this draft complete by the 15th, and then open it
> up to the community for a two week consultation period. Presuming that
> leads to a recommendation to form an entity, we should have something in
> place by the end of April.
>
> Forming local chapters of OSMF and OSGeo is one of the key reasons to do
> this - also it will make it a lot easier to manage funds and sign contracts
> when organising community events like the conference.
>
> Again, sorry for the lack of communication - we definitely intend to grow
> this organisation, the immediate priority is to build a strong foundation,
> and to do this we need to communicate. Hopefully we can catch our breath
> shortly here and re-prioritise the engagement of the community. In the
> meantime, what kinds of activities would you see a local chapter of OSMF
> undertaking?
>
> Cheers
> John
>
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 13:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
>> There was mention late last year of setting up a local Chapter
>>
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2018-December/012227.html,
>> but haven't heard anything further since?
>>
>> Just been doing some random browsing & found this
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Australia,
>> which discussed the same thing back in 2010.
>>
>> Is any of that info still relevant?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Martijn van Exel]

John — I used to be OSMF secretary and have guided multiple local groups 
through the OSMF LC application process. I am no longer on the board but know 
the current secretary, and am happy to help with the process if needed.

Martijn

> On Mar 4, 2019, at 8:41 PM, John Bryant  wrote:
> 
> Hi Graeme, thanks a lot for bringing it up, it's a good opportunity to share 
> a work-in-progress.
> 
> Yes, there is work going on right now, and apologies for not making it more 
> widely known... we're scrambling a bit to pull together both this and the 
> 2019 conference, trying to get a number of balls rolling at once. 
> 
> The committee that organised FOSS4G SotM Oceania in November is in the 
> process of doing the legwork to form an entity. Right now, we are pulling 
> together a draft recommendation that we'll share with the community for 
> feedback. Aiming to have this draft complete by the 15th, and then open it up 
> to the community for a two week consultation period. Presuming that leads to 
> a recommendation to form an entity, we should have something in place by the 
> end of April.
> 
> Forming local chapters of OSMF and OSGeo is one of the key reasons to do this 
> - also it will make it a lot easier to manage funds and sign contracts when 
> organising community events like the conference.
> 
> Again, sorry for the lack of communication - we definitely intend to grow 
> this organisation, the immediate priority is to build a strong foundation, 
> and to do this we need to communicate. Hopefully we can catch our breath 
> shortly here and re-prioritise the engagement of the community. In the 
> meantime, what kinds of activities would you see a local chapter of OSMF 
> undertaking?
> 
> Cheers
> John
> 
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 13:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick  > wrote:
> There was mention late last year of setting up a local Chapter 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2018-December/012227.html 
> ,
>  but haven't heard anything further since?
> 
> Just been doing some random browsing & found this 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Australia 
> , 
> which discussed the same thing back in 2010.
> 
> Is any of that info still relevant?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Vilppola, Ritva]

Hi John/Graeme and OSM Team,

I’m quite new to OSM but am getting fantastic help by Joel and Stephane from 
OSM Brisbane in organising Mapathon events with the local QLD Engineers Without 
Borders (EWB) chapter which I am a part of.

I am interested in getting involved if there is to be a local OSM Brisbane/QLD 
Chapter- there is a lot of interest from the EWB community (as well as the 
company I work for) in regards to Missing Maps events and is something I would 
like to get our chapters involved with OSM nationally!

Cheers,

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Hi Graeme, thanks a lot for bringing it up, it's a good opportunity to share a 
work-in-progress.

Yes, there is work going on right now, and apologies for not making it more 
widely known... we're scrambling a bit to pull together both this and the 2019 
conference, trying to get a number of balls rolling at once.

The committee that organised FOSS4G SotM Oceania in November is in the process 
of doing the legwork to form an entity. Right now, we are pulling together a 
draft recommendation that we'll share with the community for feedback. Aiming 
to have this draft complete by the 15th, and then open it up to the community 
for a two week consultation period. Presuming that leads to a recommendation to 
form an entity, we should have something in place by the end of April.

Forming local chapters of OSMF and OSGeo is one of the key reasons to do this - 
also it will make it a lot easier to manage funds and sign contracts when 
organising community events like the conference.

Again, sorry for the lack of communication - we definitely intend to grow this 
organisation, the immediate priority is to build a strong foundation, and to do 
this we need to communicate. Hopefully we can catch our breath shortly here and 
re-prioritise the engagement of the community. In the meantime, what kinds of 
activities would you see a local chapter of OSMF undertaking?

Cheers
John

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 13:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There was mention late last year of setting up a local Chapter
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2018-December/012227.html, 
but haven't heard anything further since?

Just been doing some random browsing & found this
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Australia, which 
discussed the same thing back in 2010.

Is any of that info still relevant?

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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[John Bryant]

Hi Graeme, thanks a lot for bringing it up, it's a good opportunity to
share a work-in-progress.

Yes, there is work going on right now, and apologies for not making it more
widely known... we're scrambling a bit to pull together both this and the
2019 conference, trying to get a number of balls rolling at once.

The committee that organised FOSS4G SotM Oceania in November is in the
process of doing the legwork to form an entity. Right now, we are pulling
together a draft recommendation that we'll share with the community for
feedback. Aiming to have this draft complete by the 15th, and then open it
up to the community for a two week consultation period. Presuming that
leads to a recommendation to form an entity, we should have something in
place by the end of April.

Forming local chapters of OSMF and OSGeo is one of the key reasons to do
this - also it will make it a lot easier to manage funds and sign contracts
when organising community events like the conference.

Again, sorry for the lack of communication - we definitely intend to grow
this organisation, the immediate priority is to build a strong foundation,
and to do this we need to communicate. Hopefully we can catch our breath
shortly here and re-prioritise the engagement of the community. In the
meantime, what kinds of activities would you see a local chapter of OSMF
undertaking?

Cheers
John

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 13:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> There was mention late last year of setting up a local Chapter
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2018-December/012227.html,
> but haven't heard anything further since?
>
> Just been doing some random browsing & found this
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Australia,
> which discussed the same thing back in 2010.
>
> Is any of that info still relevant?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [talk-au] local chapter stuff

[John Smith]

On 24 February 2010 07:14, Henk Hoff  wrote:
> - Foundation may (!) check on the books etc in order to check whether the LC
> is not doing anything that could hurt the name and fame of OSM or the
> Foundation.

Assuming that is legal to do so, I'm yet to see anything close to
formal legal advice in relation to Australian and non-profit privacy
laws etc. At most you are only allowed to divulge this information to
other members of the legal entity, that is unless OSM-F is planning to
become a member of the LCs.

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Re: [talk-au] local chapter stuff

[Henk Hoff]

Guys,

It may be good to give also an update on the whole chapters thingy on this
mailing list.

First: the draft agreement you've been referring to is of the table. We had
a good discussion within the OSMF board about the organizational structure
of the Foundation. We concluded that this agreement did not fit nicely into
our thoughts of where we're heading with the Foundation.

So what are we working on now. Some highlights:
- LC is a separate entity and has it's own membership scheme.
- LC members are not official members of the Foundation (and can therefore
not vote on Foundation matters)
- LC is basically the representative of OSM in it's country/region
- Foundation is official publisher of the OSM database and licensee of the
data
- Foundation may (!) check on the books etc in order to check whether the LC
is not doing anything that could hurt the name and fame of OSM or the
Foundation.
- LC may use the name and logo of OSM

Hope this gives some clarity on the current situation with Local Chapters.

Cheers,
Henk Hoff
OpenStreetMap Foundation


2010/2/20 John Smith 

> On 20 February 2010 12:47, Liz  wrote:
> > I wrote a note about this draft, decided it could be libellous and
> haven't
> > posted it publically.
>
> It's only libelous if unfounded...
>
> > I'll merely say that if they are the terms, I wouldn't be able to join
> the
> > local chapter.
>
> This is why I've decided to pursue a local entity, rather than a local
> chapter, I wouldn't join one either.
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[John Smith]

On 20 February 2010 12:47, Liz  wrote:
> I wrote a note about this draft, decided it could be libellous and haven't
> posted it publically.

It's only libelous if unfounded...

> I'll merely say that if they are the terms, I wouldn't be able to join the
> local chapter.

This is why I've decided to pursue a local entity, rather than a local
chapter, I wouldn't join one either.

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Re: [talk-au] local chapter stuff

[Liz]

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote:
> For those interested, here's the current draft released this evening:
> 
> http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/OSM_Local_Chapters_Draft_v0_3.pdf
> 
> My concerns about this still haven't been addressed and it doesn't
> look like it will happen so I won't be at this stage pursuing any form
> of a local chapter in Australia, there is still a need for a local
> entity so I'll focus my efforts on getting that finalised once I tweak
> things based on some suggestions Brendon made a while back.
> 

I wrote a note about this draft, decided it could be libellous and haven't 
posted it publically.
I'll merely say that if they are the terms, I wouldn't be able to join the 
local chapter.
I have let my membership of OSMF lapse deliberately and removed that logo from 
my wiki page already.

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