Re: [talk-au] Wineries
Not a single reply to Liz's request, so either these are limited to Australia or nobody else cares that much what the tag would be called, either way I made a new wiki page for this and shifted the content from the tagging guidelines page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcellar_door ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 09:37 +1000, John Smith wrote: Not a single reply to Liz's request, so either these are limited to Australia or nobody else cares that much what the tag would be called, Just a thought, but you do realise this is the -au list? While the readership of the list isnt limited to aussies, its fairly keen to suggest others outside aus dont have an opinion on it, because they dont comment on this list. Maybe send the question to talk@ or tagging@ lists? David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
On 26 July 2010 12:39, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 09:37 +1000, John Smith wrote: Not a single reply to Liz's request, so either these are limited to Australia or nobody else cares that much what the tag would be called, Just a thought, but you do realise this is the -au list? While the readership of the list isnt limited to aussies, its fairly keen to suggest others outside aus dont have an opinion on it, because they dont comment on this list. Maybe send the question to talk@ or tagging@ lists? http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2010-July/006909.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
On 24 July 2010 15:58, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: I've tried cellardoor via google and not hit on any synonyms yet 'Tasting Room' comes back with quite a few hits, although cellar door sounds better to me... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: On 24 July 2010 15:58, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: I've tried cellardoor via google and not hit on any synonyms yet 'Tasting Room' comes back with quite a few hits, although cellar door sounds better to me... I found this http://www.cellardoormetrics.com/ which mentions cellar door, tasting room, wine cellar I'm not sure that tasting room is as specific as cellar door for a single winery or brand Waiting for more advice ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
On 25 July 2010 09:25, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Should we put some effort into defining a standard based on Australian principles then post it on the tagging list? Easier to deal with a few rather than many suggestions/interests...maybe ;) Liz posted a question to the tagging list asking what others refer to this as and she didn't state any terms to reduce bias, but so far no one has replied... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
From my point of view, if it's a thing for tourists, and it's to do with wine, then it probably fits in this category, so in answer to your question yes. Although I guess that depends on what you mean by in this fashion. - Ben. On Jul 23, 2010 11:26am, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 July 2010 06:41, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I'm thinking that tourism=attraction is probably the most appropriate tag, in that I'm probably interested in the winery due to tourism rather than commerce. Not all places that sell wine in this fashion make their own wine, even if they do grow grapes... Does this still make them a winery? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
I don't think this kind of thing is Aussie specific and it would be better off being on it's own web page and/or going through the tagging list... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: I don't think this kind of thing is Aussie specific and it would be better off being on it's own web page and/or going through the tagging list... I have no idea about similar systems in other countries We could ask? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
On 24 July 2010 15:28, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: I don't think this kind of thing is Aussie specific and it would be better off being on it's own web page and/or going through the tagging list... I have no idea about similar systems in other countries We could ask? It might be like horse hop, where 'cellar door' is just a local term... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
How do you tag a winery? I tried tourism=winery but that doesn't render. I guess shop=alcohol would render, but that's not really the correct tag. - Ben I have put them in as tourism=attraction, back in the days when i found a tag and misused it or altered it to fit reality. They are a special sort of of tourism attraction. Not all have cellar door sales, so we should sort out a better type of tagging system to cover vineyard / winery / cellar door sales / restaurant / winery tours whatever else is available at these places. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
On 22 July 2010 16:24, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: To indicate specifically that it is a winery, perhaps you could introduce a sub-category like shop=alcohol, alcohol=winery. Some people might think alcohol=* would be used for tagging products rather than purpose... What about tourism=attraction, attraction=winery? There is also meaderies and they serve a similar purpose, but for mead rather than wine, and usually have other honey products for sale... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
Hi. Yes I'm thinking that tourism=attraction is probably the most appropriate tag, in that I'm probably interested in the winery due to tourism rather than commerce. If there is also a restaurant there I'd probably tag that separately. As before, note that a vineyard is a different thing to a winery, and already has appropriate tags. Presumably the winery get their grapes from one or more vineyards, although I am no expert on the matter. :) - Ben. On 22 July 2010 17:31, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 July 2010 16:24, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: To indicate specifically that it is a winery, perhaps you could introduce a sub-category like shop=alcohol, alcohol=winery. Some people might think alcohol=* would be used for tagging products rather than purpose... What about tourism=attraction, attraction=winery? There is also meaderies and they serve a similar purpose, but for mead rather than wine, and usually have other honey products for sale... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
On 23 July 2010 06:41, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I'm thinking that tourism=attraction is probably the most appropriate tag, in that I'm probably interested in the winery due to tourism rather than commerce. Not all places that sell wine in this fashion make their own wine, even if they do grow grapes... Does this still make them a winery? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
Hi Ben, Looks like there are two camps on this. One says grape-growing is a type of agriculture so we should reuse existing tags for farms and their crops: landuse=farm, crop=grapes, produce=wine The other says wineries are sufficiently different that they should get their own tag: landuse=vineyard Source: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Vineyard Regards Simon From: Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thu, 22 July, 2010 1:09:19 PM Subject: [talk-au] Wineries How do you tag a winery? I tried tourism=winery but that doesn't render. I guess shop=alcohol would render, but that's not really the correct tag. - Ben Sent from my HTC ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
I'm talking about the place you may go to visit (eg cellar door sales) rather than the land where the grapes are grown. For the latter, landude=vineyard renders on Mapnik and Osmarender. - Ben. Sent from my HTC -Original Message- From: Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2010 16:12 To: OSM Talk AU talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Wineries Hi Ben, Looks like there are two camps on this. One says grape-growing is a type of agriculture so we should reuse existing tags for farms and their crops: landuse=farm, crop=grapes, produce=wine The other says wineries are sufficiently different that they should get their own tag: landuse=vineyard Source: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Vineyard Regards Simon From: Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thu, 22 July, 2010 1:09:19 PM Subject: [talk-au] Wineries How do you tag a winery? I tried tourism=winery but that doesn't render. I guess shop=alcohol would render, but that's not really the correct tag. - Ben Sent from my HTC ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
