Re: [OSM-talk-ie] name=Ireland | Re: name=Éire / Ireland
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html#part2 For those that don't trust Wikipedia On Mon, 8 Jun 2020, 12:38 Karl Newsletters, wrote: > Article 4 of the Constitution of Ireland, gives the state its two official > names, Éire in Irish and Ireland in English. Each name is a direct > translation of the other. From 1937, the name Éire was often used even in > the English language. > > copy from wikipedia, so usual precautions apply > > > On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 12:05, Rory McCann wrote: > > > I think `name=Ireland` is best. For `name`, the most commonly used name > > in the place for the thing is what it should be. And, whatever one > > things /should be/ the most common name, I think we can all agree that > > what /is/ the most common name is “Ireland”. > > > > `int_name` is a silly tag. I haven't heard of a good definition of that > > aside from “Name of the country in English”, which wronly prioritises > > English. Why not `int_name=جزيرة أيرلندا`? > > > > On 07/06/2020 16:24, Neil O'Byrne wrote: > > > The Irish euro coins just have Éire. So maybe name=Éire and > > int_name=Ireland > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Colm Moore [mailto:colmmoor...@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Sunday 7 June 2020 14:56 > > > To: talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > > Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] name=Éire / Ireland > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/62273 > > > > > > Someone has set the name of the (Republic of) Ireland to "Éire / > > Ireland". Whatever about Irish constitutional nuances, OSM usually uses > one > > field=one piece of data. I'm inclined to change it to name=Ireland, given > > that Ireland is the name that most people use. > > > > > > Separately, there is the matter of lots of the international > > translations are of "Republic of Ireland" instead of "Ireland". Does > anyone > > have thoughts on how to deal with potential grammatical issues in > > rationalising these? > > > > > > Colm > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > > change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret > Mead > > ___ > > > Talk-ie mailing list > > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Bypasses
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 10:37, Donal Hunt wrote: > Here's some updates... > > *Naas Bypass (M7)*: All 3 lanes opened since 02 Aug 2019 allegedly (see > https://outline.com/kf6j5P) > > All three lanes have been open a while, but the last time I drove it (early Jan 2020), the speed limit was still 60 or 80. Some remaining work was still to be done, like fixing the signposts and opening one of the exits. ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Tagging in the building tasks
That's what I would think. It's extra time to go through the dialog boxes to set the building tags. I never bother and instead set the value when setting the address since that can be done automatically. Since the majority of buildings are houses, you could mass tag them all as houses since that would be the least wrong tagging overall. On Sat, 25 Jan 2020, 08:48 Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-ie, < talk-ie@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > It is typically much faster to add just > geometries. Maybe whoever was doing > this is not so interested in value of > building tag? > > Or maybe a mistake was made somewhere? > > 25 Jan 2020, 09:43 by davecor...@gmail.com: > > > I'll rephrase the question. > > > > Why are these buildings being tagged with the least descriptive tag > rather than utilising a more descriptive tag which can be easily done in > approx 90% of cases from imagery? > > > > As I said, maybe I'm missing something here and there is a logical > explanation as to why this is being done, I just can't see it. > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Sat 25 Jan 2020, 07:51 Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-ie, <> > talk-ie@openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > > > >> 24 Jan 2020, 23:05 by >> davecor...@gmail.com>> : > >> > >> > I'm wondering if there is something I'm missing here. Why are we not > >> > tagging buildings with the correct tagging? > >> > > >> building=yes is correct > >> > >> Adding specific building type is also > >> correct and desirable, but mapping all > >> buildings as building=yes is also correct > >> > >> mapping just landuse=residential without > >> mapping any buildings is also correct > >> Similarly, mapping shops just with > >> shop typeshop=convenience/supermarket/etc > >> without specifying name=*, opening_hours=* > >> and other similar tags is also correct. > >> ___ > >> Talk-ie mailing list > >> >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > >> > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Dividing houses with returns as terrace
On 8 August 2015 at 16:36, Brian Hollinshead br...@hollinshead.net wrote: I have routinely used the terracer plugin in JOSM to divide a long/single building into a set of terraced houses. Recently I was talking OSM to a librarian from Casimir Road, Harolds Cross, Dublin, I asked would he like to share the house numbers with me if I added the outlines first. He readily agreed. When I got home I found someone has already kindly added most of the buildings carefully showing the return in each case. I cannot get the terracer plugin to like trying to divide such a building into two equal rectangular halves. I have only ever achieved that by drawing a large outline of the terrace, then drawing the lines to split the houses and manually splitting the outline into several houses. Very tedious, so I don't bother these days, choosing to terrace as a block and add the house numbers, which I find to be more important than the shape. Regards, Nick ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 74, Issue 10
On 17 July 2015 at 23:08, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/07/2015, Colm Moore colmmoor...@hotmail.com wrote: Adding individual Eircodes shouldn't be a problem. Adding the whole database is another matter. Facts can't be copyrighted, databases can. And yet there's little value in mapping just a fraction of the Eircodes. Before starting the job, we need to make sure that we're leagally allowed to finish it. If we can't have all the Eircodes in OSM, we should have none. If it helps somebody locate a house, then it is of value: it is just an alternative way of referencing a place. The eircodes are of particular value where a house has no name/number at all (which many do where I live) -- how am I supposed to find them on OSM? On 17 July 2015 11:30:55 GMT+01:00, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: What better way to ignore than come to the conclusion that the data can't be included in OSM and needs to be removed when it turns up? Whatever the merits or de-merits of the system, it is the official post code system. I map a lot of business. Some of them (gambling, e-cigarettes), I would prefer not to map, but on OSM I'm a mapper, not an activist. I strive to map impartially too, wether I like the place or not. But postcode are not the same thing, because they're not physical. We always think twice before adding non-physical data to OSM. And in the particular case of Eircode: * It's a list of IDs (useless on its own) created and curated by a private 3rd-party * It has an impressive list of technical flaws which make it a non-starter for many usecases Given it's a list of unique codes for all addresses across the country, you can use it as a primary key in a table and populate that table with other data like a internally created routing code, loc8, openpostcode or whatever else you like. It's quite easy to rationalise the data into something routable, usable or relevant to ones needs. The needs can vary per organisation. I personally don't need a sequencing system to find a house whereas the companies that do can invent their own to suit their needs or translate to a sequencing system that has already been designed to suite their needs. * It's brand-new, and we don't know how much real-world usage it'll get * Mirroring it in OSM is a huge amount of work and a lot of data (which will qualify as bloat if it isn't useful) Putting house names and numbers into OSM is also a huge amount of work, but that hasn't stopped efforts to do that. ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Telephone exchanges, religious buildings
On 15 July 2014 13:46, Colm Moore colmmoor...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, 1. There appears to be no way to mark a telephone exchange. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/64686069 These are the tags I used: building=telephone_exchange man_made=telephone_exchange http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Telephone_Exchange 3. Dublin City Centre is currently marked as being a water body. :) Yes. Lovely day for a swim! Regards, Nick ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Tagging of an area where Travellers live
I tag them as landuse=halting_site. Nick On 1 Jul 2014 13:10, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote: It's definitely not tourism, I would have tagged them as landuse=residential in the past On 1 Jul 2014 10:05, tumsi tu...@gmx.de wrote: Hi all, How do you map areas where Travellers live? Do you use special tags or only landuse=residential? I saw an area that is tagged with tourism=caravan_site. This seems wrong to me since this tag means a facility for tourists as also intended in the definition on the wiki page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site). Tourists visiting a country by caravan can stay on a caravan site overnight or for some days and maybe find some facilities like electricity, waste disposal (also dirt water) or drinking water but less comfort than using a camp site. Constanze ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Dublin street names from Dublin City Council
Would it be better to run it across all of Ireland? The roads in one town should have the same translation as any other town. You could collect the existing translations in OSM to augment the city list, then apply that countrywide. I was thinking of a similar scheme for shops to rationalise discrepancies in say the shop tag given to Boots. On 13 May 2014 17:48, Mike Połtyn hole...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody. I am fairly new to OSM and this is my first post here, so I want to introduce myself. Hi, my name is Michał Połtyn; I am a web developer from Poland, currently living in Dublin. My nickname on OSM is Holek. Now, that's good enough, so let's cut to the chase, shall we? I have been adding Irish names to Dublin streets[1] by hand[2] recently[3], and I thought there's a better way. Turns out, Dublin City Council releases a PDF with all city names in English and Irish.[4] Now, I found out that this dataset is also available on dublinked.com[5] as XLS or CSV (the most important for us), where it's licensed as Public data, available to everyone. I would assume this means public domain; in the end it is just a list of properties. My idea was to add all missing Irish names to streets in Dublin in one big changeset, and report all other conflicting names on a Wiki page to review. I thought I could prepare a bot script to add all name:ga tags for all matching streets and run it during Dublin hackaton next Sunday under a supervision of OSM masters :) What are your thoughts, concerns? I'm open for suggestions, critique, and any good word in general. Take care, everybody! -- Michał Hołek Połtyn [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22218893 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22234506 [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22218453 [4] http://www.dublincity.ie/SiteCollectionDocuments/Sr%C3%A1idainmneacha%20Bhaile%20Atha%20Cliath.pdf (PDF, 357 KB) [5] http://dublinked.com/datastore/datasets/dataset-213.php ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Corine Import - update
On 9 February 2011 15:18, Paul Cunnane p...@cunnane.net wrote: Just a random thought on meadows versus pastures: from my memory of living adjacent to farmland (at least way out here in the wild wesht), a field could be either depending on the time of year and the farmer's requirements. I'm not convinced it's an entirely valid distinction. The term grassland strikes me as a broadly useful one. And the farm land use may change from year to year which would mean updating the map according to the farmer's particular business whim in any particular year (think of farms that use the crop-rotation system). I've never distinguished on the OSM map between farm land that is grass, meadow, used for crops or animals. I just tag it all as landuse=farm. There is land opposite me that is a meadow and is not owned by a farm but is instead owned by a private owner. It could also just be considered badly maintained grass land with a fair number of weeds. Regards, Nick. On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 23:12 +, John Kennedy wrote: Following up... I was not clear but of course I wouldn't like us to lose the detail provided by Corine. I guess we and UK have more pasture than mainland Europe and Corine has not been added to UK yet so perhaps this is first time the subtlety of significant amount of farmland being under grass has arisen. To summarise my understanding the farmland options seem to be 1 - bend/interpret the OSM wiki definition of meadow to include farmed land under grass for now - could potentially bulk re-tag corine meadows in the future? 2 - propose the OSM wiki definition of meadow be changed to include farmed land under grass 3 - propose qualifications for landuse=farm (e.g. farm=tillage, farm=grassland) so at least arble land and farmland under grass can be differentiated and rendered differently. The term grassland seems to be an acceptable term (e.g. by BTO, CBS) to describe a grassy field that may be grazed by animals, harvested as hay, or harvested as silage. The term 'pasture' might imply presence of animals to some people so I would suggest we avoid that term. With this option, option 3, the landuse=meadow could remain as is in OSM wiki definition, i.e. relatively natural grassy land that is not part of a farm (if I read it correctly). 4 - ?? I'm still relatively new to all this. My gut tell's me 3 is the ideal way forward but I have no idea of timelines and implications. Re bogs, thinking about it actually the experts in Ireland are the IPCC. This page is interesting: http://www.ipcc.ie/bogsform.html. It suggests this hierarchy: (landuse?)=peatland peatland = fen or bog bog = blanket or raised blanket = mountain or Atlantic (if we want to go the whole hog. Re harvesting I agree that is worth capturing too. IPCC have this page: http://www.ipcc.ie/cbdefinition.html. It seems bog with industrial scale harvesting is called cutaway. The term cutover is used for smaller scale / manual harvesting. I don't know the best way of assigning attributes to a tag perhaps someone else can suggest that. The IPCC have probably already cataloged or even mapped which bogs are which - maybe even boundaries. I live in their part of the world and could make some enquiries. They could also clarify if the above proposals are sensible from their perspective and if the terminology is internationally recognised and comprehensive. HTH, - John On 9 February 2011 14:13, John Kennedy jkenned...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the clarifications. Glad I asked re the estates - makes sense and will save me some work. Re farm just to point out I based my observation on turning meadow into farm based on the definitions on OSM. They imply to me that 'meadow' is for land that is not being farmed. Farm explicitly includes both tillage and pasture. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarm http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow Some discussion: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:landuse%3Dfarm One possibility that avoids changing the OSM wiki definition of meadow/farm - is it worth proposing qualifications for landuse=farm? e.g. farm=tillage farm=pasture Opening up landuse discussion to bogs too, FYI here is a classification used in national scientifically rigorous wildlife surveys in Ireland: http://www.birdwatchireland.ie/Portals/0/images_large/CBS_habitatguide.jpg [Full credit: the BTO developed this hierarchy. E.g. http://www.sorby.org.uk/recording/bird-habs.shtml] I do not propose that we use all of the level 2's, but it might raise subtleties that would be useful to capture. Food for thought. - John On 9 February 2011 01:24, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, On 9 February 2011 00:47, John Kennedy jkenned...@gmail.com wrote: I never used polygons before but I think I have got my head around it on the dev box - thanks for setting it up. Will
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Dublin Bus Stops
I read in the Irish Times maybe 1 week ago that a student from DCU has created a map of all Dublin transport, including all bus stops. Maybe it is possible to talk to that person and get them to donate their info? I have no idea if that includes GPS data for each stop but the general route maps might be useful. Sorry I cannot provide the article link at this time. Nick. On 7 Sep 2010 19:44, Paddy paddyf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dermot, Yeah its a bit of a grey area alright :) I have sent a few emails to Dublin Bus networkdir...@dublinbus.ie and i...@dublinbus.ie but haven't received any reply. I have received a positive reply from the Department of Transport thats why I haven't really thought of the licensing issues. I could email the Department of Transport again to see where we stand? I sent this to transport21i...@transport.ie Hi, I have been working on a Dublin Public Transport Route Planner. I have registered the name transportdublin.ie . Powered by neo4j http://www.neo4j.org/ a nosql graph database with spatial features offers implementations of common graph algorithms and google maps API v3 I have just uploaded the project to github and updated the wiki with screen shots and information http://wiki.github.com/paddydub/TransportDublin/ The graph database is populated with approx 15,000 bus stops and 150 bus routes and all timetables for most bus routes extracted from the Dublin Bushttp://www.dublinbus.ie/ website. I will be adding Luas and Dart Lines aswell. I still have a lot of work to do, if would like to help me out or have any suggestions or recommendations it would be greatly appreciated. Paddy Reply from transport21i...@transport.ie Hi Paddy Thanks for informing the Department of your current project work. For further information about new and emerging public transport communication initiatives, that are planned for the Greater Dublin Area, please contact the individual public transport agencies listed under 'Links' on the Transport 21 website [ http://www.transport21.ie/Links/Links/Navigation.html ]. In addition, check out the Transport for Dublin website [ http://www.transportfordublin.ie/ ] for information about each of the Transport 21 projects planned for the Dublin region and to view route maps of each project. Wishing you every success with your work. Transport Investment Division Department of Transport On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paddy, Sorry if this seems dismissive, but you must not under any circumstances import these data into OSM. They are derived from a Dublin Bus Database and Dublin Bus have not provided us with any rights to reuse the information under a licence compatible with OSM. It would be very convenient to do so - I for one have invested a lot of effort collecting stop locations, names and reference numbers and obtaining primary knowledge of bus routes. My suggestion if you wish to enable an import into OSM: Approach Dublin Bus and ask them for information on the terms under which they are prepared to allow the use of this stop and route data. I would advise you to avoid mentioning OSM, as we may, as a project, have only one chance to make such an approach, and it would be a shame for them to reply with a quick no. I am working on some demonstrations of the benefit of OSM for public transport and intend to approach local representatives in order to maximise the chances of a positive response. So please either ask a completely open question about their terms of use or else describe the application you intend to build. A warning, though - if you do outline your intentions, one possibility is that they will tell you not to, assert their database rights and threaten action if you proceed with its use. Think about how you would proceed if this were the reply. Again, if Dublin Bus _do_ go on record that they are happy to consider this stuff to be open data, you'll get plenty of help with an import. Proceed with caution ;) Dermot On 7 September 2010 22:18, Paddy paddyf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys, I have been working on building a a neo4j Google Maps based Public Transport Route Planner for Dublin, I'm still working on it I have a github project with a bit more info at: http://github.com/paddydub/TransportDublin I have extracted a lot of data from the Dublinbus.ie website to do the routeplanning, I have most Dublin Bus Stop data stored in a json file: http://github.com/downloads/paddydub/TransportDublin/stops.json I don't have much experience with openstreetmap, Any pointers on how I could import this data to the openstreetmap project? Cheers Paddy ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie -- -- Iren sind menschlich
