Re: [OSM-talk-be] How to request arbitration?

[Karel Adams]

Thanks Jo, that brought a smile!

The crux of the matter is of course that I can NOT fly into it, it being 
so private as to be almost secretive. In fact I am wondering more and 
more why these guys so vehemently refuse to give this airstrip a name, 
it really feels like something is being hushed up. Or then perhaps they 
wish to abide by the rules very strictly, kind of "Befehl ist Befehl" :) 
Not the kind of atmosphere I'll choose for a destination. And no, I'll 
not bother to further improve our database in that area.


That I figured in WeeklyOSM is nice but perhaps my next appearance could 
be more positive ;)


Smiling regards,

KA


On 02/04/18 08:51, Jo wrote:
Karel, you are going to have to fly over to that airstrip and put up a 
large sign next to it . Photograph it and hope it catches on among the 
local population... (That's how I read Frederik Ramms comment)


I didn't look at the changeset. We have a description tag, if it's a 
description and not a name. Of course if it's only in English, maybe 
description:en?


Anyway, you made it into WeeklyOSM.

Jo

2018-04-02 7:57 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis >:


Did you contact the owner of the airfield to find out how they name it
? Did you find a sign along the street pointing to the airfield with a
name ? Is there a name sign at the entrance ? Is there an official
document  from a government which mentions a name ?

If all of those questions return false, i.e. no name, then the
airfield has no name. Maybe there are a few other places where we can
look for the item of items, but making them up from ones armchair is
certainly not one of them.

No everybody gives their house, private tennis court, driveway or
airfield a name. So noname=yes might be the only thing we can do. We
should not make up names as "Airfield of Family Anderson", "Airfield
near road N111" or whatever.

Regards

m.


p.s. @Pieter, SomeoneElse, who participates in the changeset
discussion is member of the DWG.

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 11:08 PM, Karel Adams > wrote:
> I am in a bitter dispute with a couple of mappers who absolutely
refuse to
> accept a "name=*" tag on an aerodrome because officially it has
no name -
> indeed it figures in no official document.
>
> My point of view is that an "invented" name - which can be
discussed, of
> course - is better than no name at all but they are quite
adamant. How to
> address this?
>
> For the details: see
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57717417
 and
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/573934869

>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names
 has been called in but
I found
> nothing there to indicate only official names should be mentioned.
>
> This seems really a case for arbitration, but how to request it?
>
> Karel
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] How to request arbitration?

[Karel Adams]

OK Marc, thanks. Since @SomeoneElse is in the DWG, I suppose his advice 
was as much arbitration as I can ask for.




On 02/04/18 05:57, Marc Gemis wrote:

Did you contact the owner of the airfield to find out how they name it
? Did you find a sign along the street pointing to the airfield with a
name ? Is there a name sign at the entrance ? Is there an official
document  from a government which mentions a name ?

If all of those questions return false, i.e. no name, then the
airfield has no name. Maybe there are a few other places where we can
look for the item of items, but making them up from ones armchair is
certainly not one of them.

No everybody gives their house, private tennis court, driveway or
airfield a name. So noname=yes might be the only thing we can do. We
should not make up names as "Airfield of Family Anderson", "Airfield
near road N111" or whatever.

Regards

m.


p.s. @Pieter, SomeoneElse, who participates in the changeset
discussion is member of the DWG.

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 11:08 PM, Karel Adams  wrote:

I am in a bitter dispute with a couple of mappers who absolutely refuse to
accept a "name=*" tag on an aerodrome because officially it has no name -
indeed it figures in no official document.

My point of view is that an "invented" name - which can be discussed, of
course - is better than no name at all but they are quite adamant. How to
address this?

For the details: see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57717417 and
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/573934869

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names has been called in but I found
nothing there to indicate only official names should be mentioned.

This seems really a case for arbitration, but how to request it?

Karel


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] How to request arbitration?

[Jo]

Karel, you are going to have to fly over to that airstrip and put up a
large sign next to it . Photograph it and hope it catches on among the
local population... (That's how I read Frederik Ramms comment)

I didn't look at the changeset. We have a description tag, if it's a
description and not a name. Of course if it's only in English, maybe
description:en?

Anyway, you made it into WeeklyOSM.

Jo

2018-04-02 7:57 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis :

> Did you contact the owner of the airfield to find out how they name it
> ? Did you find a sign along the street pointing to the airfield with a
> name ? Is there a name sign at the entrance ? Is there an official
> document  from a government which mentions a name ?
>
> If all of those questions return false, i.e. no name, then the
> airfield has no name. Maybe there are a few other places where we can
> look for the item of items, but making them up from ones armchair is
> certainly not one of them.
>
> No everybody gives their house, private tennis court, driveway or
> airfield a name. So noname=yes might be the only thing we can do. We
> should not make up names as "Airfield of Family Anderson", "Airfield
> near road N111" or whatever.
>
> Regards
>
> m.
>
>
> p.s. @Pieter, SomeoneElse, who participates in the changeset
> discussion is member of the DWG.
>
> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 11:08 PM, Karel Adams  wrote:
> > I am in a bitter dispute with a couple of mappers who absolutely refuse
> to
> > accept a "name=*" tag on an aerodrome because officially it has no name -
> > indeed it figures in no official document.
> >
> > My point of view is that an "invented" name - which can be discussed, of
> > course - is better than no name at all but they are quite adamant. How to
> > address this?
> >
> > For the details: see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57717417
> and
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/573934869
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names has been called in but I found
> > nothing there to indicate only official names should be mentioned.
> >
> > This seems really a case for arbitration, but how to request it?
> >
> > Karel
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] How to request arbitration?

[Marc Gemis]

Did you contact the owner of the airfield to find out how they name it
? Did you find a sign along the street pointing to the airfield with a
name ? Is there a name sign at the entrance ? Is there an official
document  from a government which mentions a name ?

If all of those questions return false, i.e. no name, then the
airfield has no name. Maybe there are a few other places where we can
look for the item of items, but making them up from ones armchair is
certainly not one of them.

No everybody gives their house, private tennis court, driveway or
airfield a name. So noname=yes might be the only thing we can do. We
should not make up names as "Airfield of Family Anderson", "Airfield
near road N111" or whatever.

Regards

m.


p.s. @Pieter, SomeoneElse, who participates in the changeset
discussion is member of the DWG.

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 11:08 PM, Karel Adams  wrote:
> I am in a bitter dispute with a couple of mappers who absolutely refuse to
> accept a "name=*" tag on an aerodrome because officially it has no name -
> indeed it figures in no official document.
>
> My point of view is that an "invented" name - which can be discussed, of
> course - is better than no name at all but they are quite adamant. How to
> address this?
>
> For the details: see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57717417 and
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/573934869
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names has been called in but I found
> nothing there to indicate only official names should be mentioned.
>
> This seems really a case for arbitration, but how to request it?
>
> Karel
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] How to request arbitration?

[Pieter Vander Vennet]

Hey Karel,

This is the Belgian mailing list. Why send us, espacially about an aerodome
in Denmark?

Please ask the Data Working Group. We are not qualified for arbitration.


Met vriendelijke groeten,
Pieter Vander Vennet

2018-04-01 23:08 GMT+02:00 Karel Adams :

> I am in a bitter dispute with a couple of mappers who absolutely refuse to
> accept a "name=*" tag on an aerodrome because officially it has no name -
> indeed it figures in no official document.
>
> My point of view is that an "invented" name - which can be discussed, of
> course - is better than no name at all but they are quite adamant. How to
> address this?
>
> For the details: see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57717417
> and  https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/573934869
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names has been called in but I found
> nothing there to indicate only *official* names should be mentioned.
>
> This seems really a case for arbitration, but how to request it?
>
> Karel
>
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[OSM-talk-be] How to request arbitration?

[Karel Adams]

I am in a bitter dispute with a couple of mappers who absolutely refuse 
to accept a "name=*" tag on an aerodrome because officially it has no 
name - indeed it figures in no official document.


My point of view is that an "invented" name - which can be discussed, of 
course - is better than no name at all but they are quite adamant. How 
to address this?


For the details: see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57717417 
and https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/573934869


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names has been called in but I found 
nothing there to indicate only /official/ names should be mentioned.


This seems really a case for arbitration, but how to request it?

Karel

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