Re: [OSM-talk-be] Industrial & port areas

2020-10-19 Thread rodeo .be
Hello Vincent,

adding "internal features" sounds a great idea to me. Will increase the
utility of the map.

One point of attention, I would avoid adding security measures (fences,
access buildings, gates, security cameras etc).
Depending on the site (Doel, BASF), this information is protected by law.

Kind regards
Maarten

Op do 15 okt. 2020 om 20:09 schreef Vincent Van Eyken <
vincent.vaney...@gmail.com>:

> Following some open notes [1] in the Antwerp port area, I have some
> questions about mapping in industrial environments:
>
>1. In general, how should we handle features within (semi)public to
>private industrial zones: e.g. port areas, big company plants etc. ? Those
>features (ways, buildings, parkings, infrastructure) often have varying
>degrees of “public” access or visibility (aerial imagery and/or public
>signposts, media…), and range of usefulness for a specific or general
>public, e.g. orientation, routing, emergency situations…
>I suppose it is basically up to the local mapper’s judgment if and to
>what extent features get mapped. But maybe some of you have more experience
>in this matter or can point to clear guidelines or “best practice” examples
>for future reference?
>
>2. For example this specific note [2] about how to map terrain
>blocks/sectors (“blokvelden”) within a major industrial plant (BASF).
>Questions arise:
>
>
>- Should these be included in the OSM database in the first place?
>- If so: only after asking and informing the company about permission,
>licensing, etc.?
>- If so: with which tags; e.g. in this case “ref=” and
>“place=plot”?
>
>
>
>1. A related case is the Port of Antwerp’s system for port/quay
>numbering (haven-/kaainummers). Mind you this is an old topic [3], which
>was never really resolved, I guess? However, the added value of these
>numbers is quite obvious: they are useful for land and waterway navigation,
>often better-known (at least within the “port community”) and used more
>frequently/easily than the conventional (street+housenumber) addresses,
>often visible on highway destination signs, warehouses, gates, quaysides…
>and mentioned in virtually every company’s contact details.
>So despite the potential usefulness, the complete number set is not
>(yet) present in OSM and in any case not as consistently tagged nodes.
>Currently the data are publicly accessible to download, e.g. to be
>used as satnav POIs [4]. I assume this might facilitate a straightforward
>import, if they are released as open data.
>
> Similar questions:
>
>- Should they be in the OSM database?
>- If so: how: through a documented import?
>- If so: how to tag?
>
> Regards
> Vincent / QuercE
>
> [1] e.g.: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/582619
>
> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2380581
>
> [3]
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2010-November/001600.html
> and: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dancelis/diary/12282
>
> [4]
> https://www.portofantwerp.com/nl/my-poa/services/gps-module-antwerpport?fbclid=IwAR0OqZUkYOiSdPu8aMsZHkzAgIKqJoxEJcZf4HV1lb3bFBP84J0IP6UpAiQ
> and:
> https://portaal-stadantwerpen.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/574c21e24b9b4fd8b36a52df5d8e4293_590
>
>
>
>
>
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[OSM-talk-be] Industrial & port areas

2020-10-15 Thread Vincent Van Eyken
Following some open notes [1] in the Antwerp port area, I have some
questions about mapping in industrial environments:

1.  In general, how should we handle features within (semi)public to
private industrial zones: e.g. port areas, big company plants etc. ? Those
features (ways, buildings, parkings, infrastructure) often have varying
degrees of "public" access or visibility (aerial imagery and/or public
signposts, media.), and range of usefulness for a specific or general
public, e.g. orientation, routing, emergency situations. 
I suppose it is basically up to the local mapper's judgment if and to what
extent features get mapped. But maybe some of you have more experience in
this matter or can point to clear guidelines or "best practice" examples for
future reference?


2.  For example this specific note [2] about how to map terrain
blocks/sectors ("blokvelden") within a major industrial plant (BASF).
Questions arise:

*   Should these be included in the OSM database in the first place?
*   If so: only after asking and informing the company about permission,
licensing, etc.?
*   If so: with which tags; e.g. in this case "ref=" and
"place=plot"?



3.  A related case is the Port of Antwerp's system for port/quay
numbering (haven-/kaainummers). Mind you this is an old topic [3], which was
never really resolved, I guess? However, the added value of these numbers is
quite obvious: they are useful for land and waterway navigation, often
better-known (at least within the "port community") and used more
frequently/easily than the conventional (street+housenumber) addresses,
often visible on highway destination signs, warehouses, gates, quaysides.
and mentioned in virtually every company's contact details. 
So despite the potential usefulness, the complete number set is not (yet)
present in OSM and in any case not as consistently tagged nodes. 
Currently the data are publicly accessible to download, e.g. to be used as
satnav POIs [4]. I assume this might facilitate a straightforward import, if
they are released as open data. 

Similar questions:

*   Should they be in the OSM database?
*   If so: how: through a documented import?
*   If so: how to tag? 

Regards
Vincent / QuercE

[1] e.g.: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/582619 

[2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2380581 

[3]
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2010-November/001600.html 
and: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dancelis/diary/12282 

[4]
https://www.portofantwerp.com/nl/my-poa/services/gps-module-antwerpport?fbcl
id=IwAR0OqZUkYOiSdPu8aMsZHkzAgIKqJoxEJcZf4HV1lb3bFBP84J0IP6UpAiQ 
and:
https://portaal-stadantwerpen.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/574c21e24b9b4fd8b
36a52df5d8e4293_590 

 

 

 

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