Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal

2010-04-24 Por tôpico Claudomiro Nascimento Junior
onde está a documentação das tag propostas? queria ver como ele
resolve a questão de lado direito/lado esquerdo

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Arlindo Pereira
openstreet...@arlindopereira.com wrote:
 Olha so que foda a proposta de tagueamento para estacionamentos que o cara
 fez! Com rendering e tudo... :)

 http://parking.openstreetmap.de/

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 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Arlindo Pereira cont...@arlindopereira.com
 Date: 2010/4/23
 Subject: Re: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal
 To: Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net


 Hi there Kay, sorry for the long time I took to answer. Happy with the
 message. Have you been to SoTM 2009? I was there :)

 I really liked your proposal, way more than mine with underline, because if
 a parser doesn't know about parking:lane but knows about parking=yes, one
 could deduce that parking:* means there's some kind of parking, instead of a
 different tag like with underscore.

 Would you mind moving the page from under your User:page so we can work
 together with this proposal?

 I'm also slowly changing mine parking_lane to parking:lane (do you suggest a
 quick tool to do this?)

 Also, I loved that you already hacked Mapnik to render your proposal. Would
 you mind rendering this area -
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-22.9239lon=-43.1784zoom=14layers=B000FTF
 - so I can see how it looks like? I live where the map is centered, so many
 roads are already tagged with parking_lane (and will be changed to
 parking:lane ASAP, perhaps when you're reading this I've already manually
 changed on Potlatch)

 2010/4/21 Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net

 Hello Arlindo,

 I'm trying with another email address, because the first one
 might not have worked. Please see below :-)

 Best regards,
 Kay

 -

 Hello Nighto!

 Warm greetings from Germany. I am very happy that there's another
 similar thinking OSMer halfway around the globe. I just read about
 your parking proposal, and I very much like it.

 I was thinking about quite some time now (a year or so) about the
 very same thing, and came up with a proposal that's almost identical
 to your one, just replace the : in my proposal with _ in yours :-)

 Please have a look:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking


 I was somewhat reluctant to make it an official proposal before I was
 able to put up a rendering on a big server. I managed to prepare
 a rendering on my PC at home, and I already have allocated space
 on a development server at the osm site.

 Please also have a look here:
 http://parking.openstreetmap.de/

 (Please note: this is still my private PC, slow, sometimes down and all
 that. It is to be replaced in a couple of days with the osm database.)

 I would be very happy if we could combine our efforts. I am a bit limited
 in my knowledge about all the possible parking conditions (I only know
 the german and english ones).

 Would you mind merging our two pages to one official proposal? Please
 note that although our syntax looks a bit different, it is essentially the
 same, and although I like a bit the : because it looks like xml namespace,
 and is already used e.g. in the address tags (please see
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address) my programming could be
 easily changed, if you wish.

 I could provide you with the main proposal text and some discussion
 text here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Kay_D/parking

 If you already have entered some tags on streets, I would be very
 happy to extend the map data to your county (currently I only have
 bavaria, a part of germany; a large part of Würzburg is tagged).

 I think people will only accept a proposal if they can test rendering
 themselves, so I hope I can help you/us with our proposal with it!

 Kind greetings from Würzburg in Germany,
 Kay







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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal

2010-04-24 Por tôpico Arlindo Pereira
Acho que isso é algo que o editor deveria ter a inteligência de notar e
inverter a tag. Tipo um don't tag for the editor ao invés de renderer :D

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2010/4/24 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com

 no esquema right/left, mesmo,

 não gosto muito disso não. o cara inverte a via e aí direita vira
 esquerda e ferra tudo

 On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Arlindo Pereira
 openstreet...@arlindopereira.com wrote:
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
 
  []s
 
  2010/4/24 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com
 
  onde está a documentação das tag propostas? queria ver como ele
  resolve a questão de lado direito/lado esquerdo
 
  On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Arlindo Pereira
  openstreet...@arlindopereira.com wrote:
   Olha so que foda a proposta de tagueamento para estacionamentos que o
   cara
   fez! Com rendering e tudo... :)
  
   http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
  
   []s
  
   -- Forwarded message --
   From: Arlindo Pereira cont...@arlindopereira.com
   Date: 2010/4/23
   Subject: Re: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal
   To: Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net
  
  
   Hi there Kay, sorry for the long time I took to answer. Happy with the
   message. Have you been to SoTM 2009? I was there :)
  
   I really liked your proposal, way more than mine with underline,
 because
   if
   a parser doesn't know about parking:lane but knows about parking=yes,
   one
   could deduce that parking:* means there's some kind of parking,
 instead
   of a
   different tag like with underscore.
  
   Would you mind moving the page from under your User:page so we can
 work
   together with this proposal?
  
   I'm also slowly changing mine parking_lane to parking:lane (do you
   suggest a
   quick tool to do this?)
  
   Also, I loved that you already hacked Mapnik to render your proposal.
   Would
   you mind rendering this area -
  
  
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-22.9239lon=-43.1784zoom=14layers=B000FTF
   - so I can see how it looks like? I live where the map is centered, so
   many
   roads are already tagged with parking_lane (and will be changed to
   parking:lane ASAP, perhaps when you're reading this I've already
   manually
   changed on Potlatch)
  
   2010/4/21 Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net
  
   Hello Arlindo,
  
   I'm trying with another email address, because the first one
   might not have worked. Please see below :-)
  
   Best regards,
   Kay
  
   -
  
   Hello Nighto!
  
   Warm greetings from Germany. I am very happy that there's another
   similar thinking OSMer halfway around the globe. I just read about
   your parking proposal, and I very much like it.
  
   I was thinking about quite some time now (a year or so) about the
   very same thing, and came up with a proposal that's almost identical
   to your one, just replace the : in my proposal with _ in yours :-)
  
   Please have a look:
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
  
  
   I was somewhat reluctant to make it an official proposal before I was
   able to put up a rendering on a big server. I managed to prepare
   a rendering on my PC at home, and I already have allocated space
   on a development server at the osm site.
  
   Please also have a look here:
   http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
  
   (Please note: this is still my private PC, slow, sometimes down and
 all
   that. It is to be replaced in a couple of days with the osm
 database.)
  
   I would be very happy if we could combine our efforts. I am a bit
   limited
   in my knowledge about all the possible parking conditions (I only
 know
   the german and english ones).
  
   Would you mind merging our two pages to one official proposal? Please
   note that although our syntax looks a bit different, it is
 essentially
   the
   same, and although I like a bit the : because it looks like xml
   namespace,
   and is already used e.g. in the address tags (please see
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address) my programming could be
   easily changed, if you wish.
  
   I could provide you with the main proposal text and some discussion
   text here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Kay_D/parking
  
   If you already have entered some tags on streets, I would be very
   happy to extend the map data to your county (currently I only have
   bavaria, a part of germany; a large part of Würzburg is tagged).
  
   I think people will only accept a proposal if they can test rendering
   themselves, so I hope I can help you/us with our proposal with it!
  
   Kind greetings from Würzburg in Germany,
   Kay
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal

2010-04-24 Por tôpico Claudomiro Nascimento Junior
correto,

mas e as tags que o editor ainda não conhece? é uma abordagem um
pouco frágil, acharia melhor uma referencia espacial tipo
tag_name:SW, tag_name:NE - mas aí o usuário tem que ter a noção dos
pontos cardeais no local.

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Arlindo Pereira
openstreet...@arlindopereira.com wrote:
 Acho que isso é algo que o editor deveria ter a inteligência de notar e
 inverter a tag. Tipo um don't tag for the editor ao invés de renderer :D

 []s

 2010/4/24 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com

 no esquema right/left, mesmo,

 não gosto muito disso não. o cara inverte a via e aí direita vira
 esquerda e ferra tudo

 On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Arlindo Pereira
 openstreet...@arlindopereira.com wrote:
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
 
  []s
 
  2010/4/24 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com
 
  onde está a documentação das tag propostas? queria ver como ele
  resolve a questão de lado direito/lado esquerdo
 
  On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Arlindo Pereira
  openstreet...@arlindopereira.com wrote:
   Olha so que foda a proposta de tagueamento para estacionamentos que o
   cara
   fez! Com rendering e tudo... :)
  
   http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
  
   []s
  
   -- Forwarded message --
   From: Arlindo Pereira cont...@arlindopereira.com
   Date: 2010/4/23
   Subject: Re: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal
   To: Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net
  
  
   Hi there Kay, sorry for the long time I took to answer. Happy with
   the
   message. Have you been to SoTM 2009? I was there :)
  
   I really liked your proposal, way more than mine with underline,
   because
   if
   a parser doesn't know about parking:lane but knows about parking=yes,
   one
   could deduce that parking:* means there's some kind of parking,
   instead
   of a
   different tag like with underscore.
  
   Would you mind moving the page from under your User:page so we can
   work
   together with this proposal?
  
   I'm also slowly changing mine parking_lane to parking:lane (do you
   suggest a
   quick tool to do this?)
  
   Also, I loved that you already hacked Mapnik to render your proposal.
   Would
   you mind rendering this area -
  
  
   http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-22.9239lon=-43.1784zoom=14layers=B000FTF
   - so I can see how it looks like? I live where the map is centered,
   so
   many
   roads are already tagged with parking_lane (and will be changed to
   parking:lane ASAP, perhaps when you're reading this I've already
   manually
   changed on Potlatch)
  
   2010/4/21 Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net
  
   Hello Arlindo,
  
   I'm trying with another email address, because the first one
   might not have worked. Please see below :-)
  
   Best regards,
   Kay
  
   -
  
   Hello Nighto!
  
   Warm greetings from Germany. I am very happy that there's another
   similar thinking OSMer halfway around the globe. I just read about
   your parking proposal, and I very much like it.
  
   I was thinking about quite some time now (a year or so) about the
   very same thing, and came up with a proposal that's almost identical
   to your one, just replace the : in my proposal with _ in yours :-)
  
   Please have a look:
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
  
  
   I was somewhat reluctant to make it an official proposal before I
   was
   able to put up a rendering on a big server. I managed to prepare
   a rendering on my PC at home, and I already have allocated space
   on a development server at the osm site.
  
   Please also have a look here:
   http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
  
   (Please note: this is still my private PC, slow, sometimes down and
   all
   that. It is to be replaced in a couple of days with the osm
   database.)
  
   I would be very happy if we could combine our efforts. I am a bit
   limited
   in my knowledge about all the possible parking conditions (I only
   know
   the german and english ones).
  
   Would you mind merging our two pages to one official proposal?
   Please
   note that although our syntax looks a bit different, it is
   essentially
   the
   same, and although I like a bit the : because it looks like xml
   namespace,
   and is already used e.g. in the address tags (please see
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address) my programming could be
   easily changed, if you wish.
  
   I could provide you with the main proposal text and some discussion
   text here:
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Kay_D/parking
  
   If you already have entered some tags on streets, I would be very
   happy to extend the map data to your county (currently I only have
   bavaria, a part of germany; a large part of Würzburg is tagged).
  
   I think people will only accept a proposal if they can test
   rendering
   themselves, so I hope I can help you/us with our proposal with it!
  
   Kind greetings from Würzburg in Germany,
 

Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: Reordenar membros de relações

2010-04-24 Por tôpico Arlindo Pereira
No fim das contas, foi um problema de tradução:
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/4943

Vamos tomar cuidado com os símbolos especiais na tradução, tava dando
defeito por causa de um { que na tradução estava como (.

[]s

Em 24 de abril de 2010 17:09, Aun Yngve Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.orgescreveu:

 JOSM tem como reordenar os membros de relacoes, nao sei com Potlatch ou
 outros editores


  brgds
 Aun Johnsen



 On 24/04/2010, at 16:42, Arlindo Pereira wrote:

 Alguém aí usa relações e consegue reordenar os membros delas?

 Tou criando a rota de ônibus São Paulo-Rio de Janeiro -
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/574835 - mas esqueci de
 adicionar como membro o nó da rodoviária tietê, e agora não consigo botá-lo
 como primeiro na relação. Potlatch e Merkaartor não fazem, o JOSM diz que
 faz mas crasha. Alguma ideia?

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[Talk-br] Video Introdutório ao OpenStreetMap

2010-04-24 Por tôpico Vitor George
Praqueles que não seguem o @mapaslivres no twitter: http://is.gd/bGwBd
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[Talk-br] Rota de ônibus São Paulo-Rio de Jane iro

2010-04-24 Por tôpico Arlindo Pereira
Senhores,

após 8h de edição no Potlatch (!), tenho o prazer de vos apresentar a
primeira rota de ônibus interestadual do OpenStreetMap:

São Paulo-Rio de Janeiro (1001) -
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/574835

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Re: [Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 19, assunto 32

2010-04-24 Por tôpico Fernando Caldas
@Vitor.

Vale qualquer tipo de post para começar. Até mesmo coisas que são colocadas
aqui na lista.
Quando vc postar, use bastante as palavras Mapas Livres, gps Garmin,
isto é, as palavras que vc acha que as pessoas digitarão numa pesquisa no
Google. Seja no corpo do post ou nos títulos.
Pode instalar esse plugin
http://www.arnebrachhold.de/projects/wordpress-plugins/google-xml-sitemaps-generator/que
é um plugin para SEO. Se vc postar diariamente, configure-o para os
robots do google pegar o artigo xml gerado, diariamente. Como  o assunto OSM
não é uma área muito comentada (concorrida) aqui no Brasil, logo logo teu
site estará no topo.

Qualquer dúvida tamos ae.

Eu não vejo como utilizar os dados do Tracksource no OpenStreetMap, mas
seguramente as pessoas que colaboram por lá se sentiriam muito mais
motivadas a colaborar aqui se conhecerem o OSM

Isto é verdade. Só o argumento de que se a Garmin deixar de existir, todo o
trabalho pode ser perdido, é um grande motivo de questionamento.

Além do mais, todos aqueles que participam daquela listas são pessoas que
tem GPS e estão sempre viajando. Este é o verdadeiro motivo deles estarem
contribuindo lá.

Abç,

Fernando.
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