Re: [Talk-ca] GeobaseNHN-to-osm.bat
Hi, re: geobaseNHN canvec yup, thats where the 'maxnodes=2000' works, its set that it will break up the file into 20 or lessISH (depending on file size) 'segments' then you just upload them 1 at a time. . If im using the GeobaseNHN version, i would just 'follow the water'. I started that in Nanaimo it seemed to work well. It also gives instant results on mapnik. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.09126lon=-123.89753zoom=16layers=B000FTF ... But with canvec i 'also' made a BIG file version of it. ... so it can also be used to follow the water. ... so eithor way, it's just about the same. Cheers, Sam On 11/2/09, Daniel Begin jfd...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Actually, I've found it difficult to understand where to get all the data available (until last weekend!). I was disappointed when I got my hand on the Canvec .osm file and found out that there were neither roads nor hydrography. So, I would prefer having all the hydrography - and roads - in the Canvec version (instead of having to get the roads somewhere, hydrography somewhere else, and the rest of it in the Canvec file!). I would find it much easier to get one zip file with a complete coherent mapping content (and I guess I'm not alone in that case...) Cheers, Daniel Ps: Another concern... Some of the Geobase NHN watersheds are so huge that I have serious doubt about common system's capacity to work with those files. -Original Message- From: talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Sam Vekemans Sent: November 2, 2009 21:25 To: Frank Steggink; Yan Morin; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: [Talk-ca] GeobaseNHN-to-osm.bat Hi all, re: geobase -linear_network_flow canvec's single line watercourse I think that (the water direction arrow) is the only feature that isnt available in CanVec, so i think that it will be fine to simply run the geobaseNHN-to-osm script where it only converts that 1 file. (its useful for whitewater maps) Re: waterbody I know that Yan already loaded the area in Quebec, which is great. So im wondering if it should be omited from the canvec version, and a python script be used to convert ALL geobaseNHN (as well as LNflow (or SLW)? Or should we use the canvec version of it? An idea is to just have the canvec script include it, and prefix the file name with EXTRA_ Thoughts? Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] 083H area (Edmonton) v0.9.5.6 available
Hi James, I converted the 083H area, as i figured you might be able check the data. ... its available if ya like. http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=3b30da6df5072902ab1eab3e9fa335ca700961820b4837a2 Is there other areas you'd like to see converted? Cheers, Sam Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
My impression is that the point of having different levels of cycle routes (local, regional, national) is to avoid problems with names conflicting. That would suggest that Adam's interpretation is the way to go -- after all, there's not too much risk that two different cycle routes within the same metro area will have the same designation, right? - Dan On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Adam Killian vi...@bonius.com wrote: For whatever it's worth, I've been tagging the statewide cycle routes in Pennsylvania as RCN. I originally was tagging them as NCN, but there are actually 2 interstate cycle routes in the US, so I switched to RCN. I always took Andy's remark that LCN could mean London cycle network to mean that LCN is the proper tag for networks within a metro area. --Adam Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, how are you tagging state-wide cycle routes? I know we have lcn= for local cycle routes (named not named) rcn=for regional cycle routes (ie metro area) then there's ncn=for nation wide but there's no scn (state cycle network) or pcn (province cycle network) in Quebec we have a state-wide network, but listed as ncn. (route de verte) (the Trans Canada Trail isnt a 'cycle route' per say, but elements of it allows cycling on different surfaces). Do we make a new render for a 'recreational trail'? Is there an established practice? Thanks, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
On 10/30/09 6:59 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, how are you tagging state-wide cycle routes? I know we have lcn= for local cycle routes (named not named) rcn=for regional cycle routes (ie metro area) then there's ncn=for nation wide but there's no scn (state cycle network) or pcn (province cycle network) i'm using rcn, it seemed the closest. maybe scn should be created? richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
[i'm new to the tagging discussion, just joined, please bear with me] On 11/1/09 7:13 PM, Adam Glauser wrote: Sam's message has me somewhat confused as to who said what. In terms of cycling tagging in North America, where the legal framework is fairly similar* most places, my approach has been as follows, FWIW. First of all, it gets confusing quickly because we don't have much in the way of bicycle-specific laws. this originally came up because i had mentioned on talk-us that i had set up a NY Bike Routes page and had started working on some New York State related routes. LCN makes sense for roads designated as recommended cycling routes. Cities like Toronto have roads and paths which have been deemed to be safe for cycling, which may or may not have cycling-specific infrastructure. a specific example that's in front of me right now is the Mohawk-Hudson Bike-Hike Trail (aka the Mohawk-Hudson Bikeway). it spans two counties and is maintained by the towns it passes through for the most part, sort of sitting between local and regional. i've dithered over lcn vs rcn, the description of the distinction on the wiki pages doesn't make this very clear. it uses a mixture of dedicated paths on old canal towpaths and old RR roadbed, and a some sections of roadway shared with cars, but without dedicated bike paths (parallel parking, car doors, and everything.) now the Mohawk-Hudson bikeway is also considered part of the longer Erie Canalway Trail, which is clearly an rcn, running as it does from Albany to Buffalo. it might be good to look at the master plans that various cities are producing in the US in response to federal requirements. Albany, NY just finalized theirs within the past week, and copies may be obtained here: http://www.albanyny.org/BreakingNews/09-10-30/completion_of_the_albany_bike_master_plan.aspx there is a lot of detail about route designations and implementations in the final draft pdf file. RCN I'm not really sure about. To me, the Route Verte in Quebec would be a good example, though practical and perhaps linguistic reasons have led to it being classified NCN. and in the context i'm looking at, the NY Bike Routes and the canalway trails make sense as rcn tagged trails. richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
For whatever it's worth, I've been tagging the statewide cycle routes in Pennsylvania as RCN. I originally was tagging them as NCN, but there are actually 2 interstate cycle routes in the US, so I switched to RCN. I always took Andy's remark that LCN could mean London cycle network to mean that LCN is the proper tag for networks within a metro area. --Adam Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, how are you tagging state-wide cycle routes? I know we have lcn= for local cycle routes (named not named) rcn=for regional cycle routes (ie metro area) then there's ncn=for nation wide but there's no scn (state cycle network) or pcn (province cycle network) in Quebec we have a state-wide network, but listed as ncn. (route de verte) (the Trans Canada Trail isnt a 'cycle route' per say, but elements of it allows cycling on different surfaces). Do we make a new render for a 'recreational trail'? Is there an established practice? Thanks, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails On 10/30/09, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i have added a page for NY state bike routes here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/New_York/Bike_Routes and added my just created relation (not quite complete) for the Mohawk Hudson Bikeway from Rotterdam Junction to Albany. lots of bike routes in NY need to be documented: http://www.ptny.org/ richard ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto Potential Datasource
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: hi All, It looks like the City of Toronto just joined in the cool-club :-) Thanks to user:Aude who looks to be a wikipedian... maybe could fix my ramblings? :-)... lol ... maybe not.. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aude Great, so I wasted the last several years mapping Toronto :) (I am exaggerating here, because there is a huge amount of data which simply isn't available in these datasets, and must be added manually. For example, the location of shops and other businesses.) Looks like there is a huge amount of data here. Road centerlines, addresses, park boundaries, some recreational trails, rivers, churches and a few other things are all in shapefile format and can be imported easily. The challenging part will be combining this data with data that was mapped by hand or that is from GeoBase. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, the road data does not include grade separations (bridges/tunnels), it represents dual carriageways as a single way, and it does not include one way streets (unless I am missing something). TTC routes and schedules are available, but in a weird undocumented text format (not Google Transit Feed Specification or something standard like that). I have absolutely no idea how we will import this data. Various other data, such as property parcels and aerial imagery (hopefully higher quality than Yahoo) is available through a Web Mapping Service - it suggests that you use ArcGIS Explorer (proprietary software) to view it. I'm not sure if there is any way to view it with free software. Since this is presumably raster data, it will have to wait until later. The CanVec data is junk compared to the City of Toronto data, so I think we'd be best off not importing it at all. Since this is such a complex job, I think that we need to arrange some sort of meetup (either in person or on IRC) to discuss how we will do this import. Andrew MacKinnon ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto Potential Datasource
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: hi All, It looks like the City of Toronto just joined in the cool-club :-) Thanks to user:Aude who looks to be a wikipedian... maybe could fix my ramblings? :-)... lol ... maybe not.. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aude Great, so I wasted the last several years mapping Toronto :) (I am exaggerating here, because there is a huge amount of data which simply isn't available in these datasets, and must be added manually. For example, the location of shops and other businesses.) snip You did a super job :) The CanVec data is junk compared to the City of Toronto data, so I think we'd be best off not importing it at all. maybe 'junk' is not accurate... perhaps just could be better would be better :) ... this is why i have the .osm file available for the local team to decide on what they want to copy into OSM. (BTW, there ARE other features in canvec (total 89 features) that might not in the toronto set. Since this is such a complex job, I think that we need to arrange some sort of meetup (either in person or on IRC) As far as actually converting the data to .osm format, i can do that for you all (relatively easily). .. and i can make these .osm files available... And for the features i cant convert to .osm format, someone else who is skilled in python the PostGISmagic, will be able to make the .osm files available for you all to play with. to discuss how we will do this import. And yes, thats what the team is for, to take a look at the .osm files in JOSM... and see and mark down what features are worthy to copy in, and what aren't... and what method is easist. (postGIS-automatch or manual copying). .. and deciding who wants to work on what. This process is really needs only a few local people, as each of the contributors become the 'care-taker' of the data.. and are responsible for ensuring that whatever data they they copy-in, they are aware of what they are doing. ... so it becomes the local people who discide what they want to copy in. So at my -end, i remove myself from the 'import' because all i am doing is making a carbon copy of the source data. .. a direct tag match. (literally download from NRCan / convert / Zip / upload to NRCan) Where if people see errors in this 'direct-match' that was done and think more/less tags need to be added/removed, then thats a change for the conversion script happens, and the tiles get re-converted. (would be on a 6 month basis, for sanity) And regarding the import script, it becomes a choice of 'eitlhor ocal-bulk-import' or manual-bulk-import. .. but the actual importing is done locally. ... or even if you want to skip the converted .osm files and use the source files, and make your own postGIS conversion. That's why the source files are included in the .zip So ya, im working on CONVERTIING the various area of Canada data, and making these files available. ... then someone else (or maybe me, if knowone wants to) can open up the files and choose what to upload, and then upload it. Andrew MacKinnon So i hope this helps, let me know if you want me to convert the data to .osm sooner than later. Cheers, Sam P.S. Havent all the roads already been automatched and imported? I it looks like it would be some 'sliding over', and adding in more attributes where available needed. Geographic boundaries dont ever actually touch things in the phsycal world. (they might just-so-happen to be directly on-top), so it could be moved over 5cm if needed to select it. .. so then we have a 10cm 'neutral zone', with 5cm on eithor side of the road centerline that makes the boundaries? :-) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto Potential Datasource
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Take another look. Parts of the road centreline data are at least years out of date. And the centerline data freely mixes roads with geographic boundaries with rivers, some sharing junctions. That'll be a mess to convert properly. I think the addressing data will be a nice addition to OSM. They haven't released the parcel data yet, but they have it and might release it. The TTC data is for street cars and buses only so far. The centerlines data is up to date - it shows several roads that I know were built recently e.g. the Simcoe Street extension under the train tracks and the renaming of part of Duncan St to Ed Mirvish Way. However, we are probably best off keeping the existing road data (most of it manually added by me from GeoBase NRN), and not attempting to use data from the centerlines shapefile because the city centerlines data shows dual carriageways as one road and does not show grade separations, unlike the GeoBase data. There is no reason that we can't copy missing features from it though. There is quite a lot of raster data in the WMS layer City GeoSpatial Web Service. This includes much of the data in the shapefiles, such as road centerlines, trails (though some minor trails are missing or inaccurate), rivers (with names, many of which are missing in OSM right now), and address data. It also includes parcels, but only in raster format. It might be useful to trace features from here in JOSM. The TTC data is pretty much useless to us because it is in a weird non-documented format. Would the TTC be willing to allow us to copy directly from its website, which includes route data in a much more user-friendly format? Andrew ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto Potential Datasource
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: hi All, It looks like the City of Toronto just joined in the cool-club :-) Thanks to user:Aude who looks to be a wikipedian... maybe could fix my ramblings? :-)... lol ... maybe not.. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aude Great, so I wasted the last several years mapping Toronto :) (I am exaggerating here, because there is a huge amount of data which simply isn't available in these datasets, and must be added manually. For example, the location of shops and other businesses.) Looks like there is a huge amount of data here. Road centerlines, addresses, park boundaries, some recreational trails, rivers, churches and a few other things are all in shapefile format and can be imported easily. [ ... ] Take another look. Parts of the road centreline data are at least years out of date. And the centerline data freely mixes roads with geographic boundaries with rivers, some sharing junctions. That'll be a mess to convert properly. I think the addressing data will be a nice addition to OSM. They haven't released the parcel data yet, but they have it and might release it. The TTC data is for street cars and buses only so far. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto Potential Datasource
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.comwrote: The TTC data is pretty much useless to us because it is in a weird non-documented format. Would the TTC be willing to allow us to copy directly from its website, which includes route data in a much more user-friendly format? Andrew We can take notes for the Vancouver Transit Data, perhaps the folks who created the ttc file maybe to able to collaborate a little. I haven't yet dealt with the TransLink data yet, so i have no idea what the source file is like. If it's simple nodes then attributes of the route is stored there, then it's. ... cool others have been working on it. Thanks Richard Has anyone sent of a message to the City of Toronto? Curious, Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto Potential Datasource
I just saw on the IRC http://www.opengeodata.org/2009/11/04/open-data-from-toronto/ Looks like we have Mark Kuznicki http://remarkk.com/ to thank for that. Awesome! Cheers, Sam On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.comwrote: The TTC data is pretty much useless to us because it is in a weird non-documented format. Would the TTC be willing to allow us to copy directly from its website, which includes route data in a much more user-friendly format? Andrew We can take notes for the Vancouver Transit Data, perhaps the folks who created the ttc file maybe to able to collaborate a little. I haven't yet dealt with the TransLink data yet, so i have no idea what the source file is like. If it's simple nodes then attributes of the route is stored there, then it's. ... cool others have been working on it. Thanks Richard Has anyone sent of a message to the City of Toronto? Curious, Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Waterloo Ontario OSM meetup
Waterloo Ontario OSM Meetup on Wednesday 11 November 2009. New and experienced OSM contributors welcome. http://www.meetup.com/Waterloo-OSM/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto Potential Datasource
The City of Toronto aerial imagery WMS server URL (for JOSM) is at (remember the last ): http://map.toronto.ca/servlet/com.esri.wms.Esrimap/OrthoImagery?REQUEST=GetMapSERVICE=WMSVERSION=1.1.1LAYERS=Ortho Imagery 50cm 2005STYLES=FORMAT=image/pngBGCOLOR=0xFFTRANSPARENT=TRUESRS=EPSG:4326 It seems that the City of Toronto imagery seems to show up as slightly misaligned in JOSM relative to the Yahoo imagery (which I have been deriving data from), GPS traces, and GeoBase data. Annoying. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] 021e area - sherbrook
Hi Daniel, I have the 021e area. it wasnt until after i converted it that i saw that the roads wern't yet converted. But im sure they will be :) http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=3b30da6df5072902ab1eab3e9fa335ca95c66efc5bd7c210 This one now included the rivers names, as well as a french version of it. Cheers, Sam Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [OSM-talk] shp-to-osm 0.7
Cool thanks :) Great Job! Sam On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I just uploaded shp-to-osm 0.7, a Java tool to convert shapefiles to OSM format. This version adds two important features: - glomming: the ability to connect ways based on a key/value pair - tags for multipolygon relations have been moved from the relation to the outer ways (fixing a bug with the -t option) Download it here: http://redmine.yellowbkpk.com/projects/list_files/geo File bugs/feature requests here: http://redmine.yellowbkpk.com/projects/geo/issues/new ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto Potential Datasource
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: The TTC data is pretty much useless to us because it is in a weird non-documented format. Would the TTC be willing to allow us to copy directly from its website, which includes route data in a much more user-friendly format? Andrew We can take notes for the Vancouver Transit Data, perhaps the folks who created the ttc file maybe to able to collaborate a little. I haven't yet dealt with the TransLink data yet, so i have no idea what the source file is like. If it's simple nodes then attributes of the route is stored there, then it's. ... cool others have been working on it. Thanks Richard Has anyone sent of a message to the City of Toronto? OK, I found a file indicating the meanings of the TTC data format at the datato group, but it's broken. The latitude and longitude of each bus stop are supposed to be there, but they are missing. This means the TTC data is useless until this is fixed. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
