Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging sharrows (On-road markings for bicycle-automobile shared lane)
I was out and about last night in Ottawa and saw some sharrow markings on Somerset in Chinatown. Sharrow is a new-to-me word, too. --G On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:41 AM, john whelan wrote: > In Ottawa we have paved shoulders which show up on the city's cycle maps as > recommended. You can tag them but the normal rendering doesn't really show > them on a cycle map. I set something up using Maperitive > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WkJzx5NffRv0TIQgCFFGTQzyqbQ9XDphSLqcjuM8wGM/edit?hl=en_USbut > I agree there isn't really a consistant way that things are handled in > OSM for cycle paths etc. > > Cheerio John > > On 19 August 2011 00:06, Darren Ewaniuk wrote: > >> This summer, the city of Edmonton is marking some streets to designate >> bicycle use on them. >> >> On portions of these streets that are wider, they have one driving lane in >> each direction and are painting the outside lanes off and designating them >> bicycle lanes (hence one automobile lane and one bicycle lane in each >> direction). >> These appear to be straightforward, and I am marking these as: >> cycleway=lane >> bicycle=designated >> lanes=2 >> >> On other portions of these streets which are either narrower or require >> turning lanes onto a more arterial road, or on smaller streets, they are >> putting up "Share the road" signs and are painting a sharrow on one lane in >> each direction to indicate that the marked lanes are shared >> automobile/bicycle. >> >> What's a Sharrow - http://bikehugger.com/post/view/whats-a-sharrow >> >> I can't seem to find a consistent convention for tagging sharrows in OSM. >> >> Some information indicates just to mark that this street is designated for >> bicycles: >> bicycle=designated >> But this doesn't really indicate that the road is explicitly marked and >> intended as a route for bicycles, since by default bicycles are allowed on >> all streets. >> Hence routing software will not likely prioritize these streets when >> planning a bicycle route. >> >> Other messages indicate to be specific and tag the street with sharrow=yes >> to explicitly specify there is on road markings for a shared bicycle lane: >> bicycle=designated >> cycleway=no >> sharrow=yes >> >> And yet other messages indicate that not all shared roads or all countries >> have painted sharrows and that the shared lane be marked as >> cycleway=shared_lane >> bicycle=designated >> cycleway=shared_lane >> >> What have other Canadian OSMers been using? >> >> For my changes so far, I have used the "sharrow=yes" tag. >> >> An example is 97 Street NW around 63 Avenue NW: >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.49945&lon=-113.48005&zoom=17&layers=M >> >> 97th Street NW North of 63 Ave has sharrows >> 97th Street NW from 62 to 63 Ave is tagged as having 2 lanes each >> direction with Sharrows >> (In reality, northbound is 2 lanes with sharrows, southbound is 1 lane >> traffic + separate bicycle lane, but short of splitting this in two ways >> there is no way to tag this) >> 97th Street NW South of 62 avenue has separate bike lanes (1 traffic lane >> + 1 bicycle lane southbound, 1 traffic lane + 1 bicycle lane northbound) >> >> What tagging convention should be used here? >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging sharrows (On-road markings for bicycle-automobile shared lane)
In Ottawa we have paved shoulders which show up on the city's cycle maps as recommended. You can tag them but the normal rendering doesn't really show them on a cycle map. I set something up using Maperitive https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WkJzx5NffRv0TIQgCFFGTQzyqbQ9XDphSLqcjuM8wGM/edit?hl=en_USbut I agree there isn't really a consistant way that things are handled in OSM for cycle paths etc. Cheerio John On 19 August 2011 00:06, Darren Ewaniuk wrote: > This summer, the city of Edmonton is marking some streets to designate > bicycle use on them. > > On portions of these streets that are wider, they have one driving lane in > each direction and are painting the outside lanes off and designating them > bicycle lanes (hence one automobile lane and one bicycle lane in each > direction). > These appear to be straightforward, and I am marking these as: > cycleway=lane > bicycle=designated > lanes=2 > > On other portions of these streets which are either narrower or require > turning lanes onto a more arterial road, or on smaller streets, they are > putting up "Share the road" signs and are painting a sharrow on one lane in > each direction to indicate that the marked lanes are shared > automobile/bicycle. > > What's a Sharrow - http://bikehugger.com/post/view/whats-a-sharrow > > I can't seem to find a consistent convention for tagging sharrows in OSM. > > Some information indicates just to mark that this street is designated for > bicycles: > bicycle=designated > But this doesn't really indicate that the road is explicitly marked and > intended as a route for bicycles, since by default bicycles are allowed on > all streets. > Hence routing software will not likely prioritize these streets when > planning a bicycle route. > > Other messages indicate to be specific and tag the street with sharrow=yes > to explicitly specify there is on road markings for a shared bicycle lane: > bicycle=designated > cycleway=no > sharrow=yes > > And yet other messages indicate that not all shared roads or all countries > have painted sharrows and that the shared lane be marked as > cycleway=shared_lane > bicycle=designated > cycleway=shared_lane > > What have other Canadian OSMers been using? > > For my changes so far, I have used the "sharrow=yes" tag. > > An example is 97 Street NW around 63 Avenue NW: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.49945&lon=-113.48005&zoom=17&layers=M > > 97th Street NW North of 63 Ave has sharrows > 97th Street NW from 62 to 63 Ave is tagged as having 2 lanes each direction > with Sharrows > (In reality, northbound is 2 lanes with sharrows, southbound is 1 lane > traffic + separate bicycle lane, but short of splitting this in two ways > there is no way to tag this) > 97th Street NW South of 62 avenue has separate bike lanes (1 traffic lane + > 1 bicycle lane southbound, 1 traffic lane + 1 bicycle lane northbound) > > What tagging convention should be used here? > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging sharrows (On-road markings for bicycle-automobile shared lane)
Just an FYI really: I'm in Britain, and I cycle, and have never heard of the term "sharrow" before today (I'm banking it with my other new word I learnt today: hexalobular!) - looking at the photo of a sharrow, I've also never seen one exactly like that anywhere in Britain before, but I obviously haven't studied every stretch of the country's roads! Tim --- On Fri, 19/8/11, Hillsman, Edward wrote: From: Hillsman, Edward Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging sharrows (On-road markings for bicycle-automobile shared lane) To: "talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" Date: Friday, 19 August, 2011, 12:56 Not Canadian, but we have the same question here in Florida. I have been tagging stretches of road that have sharrows as highway=*cycleway=sharrows We have one short stretch approaching a busy street where the sharrows are just for the southbound cyclist, and I have tagged that as cycleway:right=sharrows I’ve been doing things this way because it is consistent with cycleway=lane (we are indicating cycling infrastructure defined by paint on pavement). Unfortunately, it doesn’t show up on OpenCycleMap, but it will show up when we download the data for producing our area’s next paper bicycle map. And, if there is a British English equivalent for “sharrows”, it will be easy to search and replace the tag values. Edward L. Hillsman, Ph.D.Senior Research AssociateCenter for Urban Transportation ResearchUniversity of South Florida4202 Fowler Ave., CUT100Tampa, FL 33620-5375813-974-2977 (tel)813-974-5168 (fax)hills...@cutr.usf.eduhttp://www.cutr.usf.edu -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Missing harbours and marshes - L Ontario
The marshes aren't actually deleted - they just don't appear on the OSM map. I have verified that the Canvec data that defined the shoreline and the connected marshes still exists. It just doesn't show because the natural=water ways are not currently closed. So once the cleanup work is complete, all should be well. Thanks, Bob On 08/18/2011 11:23 PM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:57 PM, James A. Treacy wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 07:07:37PM -0700, Adam Dunn wrote: >>> I've done a cursory examination of the Oshawa Harbour, and it would >>> appear that there are two ways defining the water's edge: >>> 1.) a PGS Coastline import, which is tagged as natural=coastline, >>> 2.) a Canvec import, which is tagged as natural=water, and is part of >>> a multipolygon relation, tagged with natural=water. > I have been trying to clean up the coastline by getting rid of the > natural=water ways and cleaning up the natural=coastline ways (which > are terribly inaccurate). I only got as far as Port Hope I believe > before stopping. > > Which marshes did I accidentally delete? They could probably be put > back in by loading the appropriate CanVec files. > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging sharrows (On-road markings for bicycle-automobile shared lane)
Not Canadian, but we have the same question here in Florida. I have been tagging stretches of road that have sharrows as highway=* cycleway=sharrows We have one short stretch approaching a busy street where the sharrows are just for the southbound cyclist, and I have tagged that as cycleway:right=sharrows I've been doing things this way because it is consistent with cycleway=lane (we are indicating cycling infrastructure defined by paint on pavement). Unfortunately, it doesn't show up on OpenCycleMap, but it will show up when we download the data for producing our area's next paper bicycle map. And, if there is a British English equivalent for "sharrows", it will be easy to search and replace the tag values. Edward L. Hillsman, Ph.D. Senior Research Associate Center for Urban Transportation Research University of South Florida 4202 Fowler Ave., CUT100 Tampa, FL 33620-5375 813-974-2977 (tel) 813-974-5168 (fax) hills...@cutr.usf.edu http://www.cutr.usf.eduhttp://www.cutr.usf.edu/> ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
