[Talk-ca] Problem with overpasses in NB??

2013-12-02 Thread Connors, Bernie (SNB)
Here is an example - http://osm.org/go/cgZ854R_8--

The problem is that there is an intersection node between 
McKinnon Road and Route 8 but there is an overpass bridge at this location.  I 
presume there is not supposed to be an intersection  where roads cross at a 
bridge.  In Potlatch2 both ways are at the default layer=ground - one way needs 
to be adjusted to indicate the grade separation.  I noticed this at several 
other locations and made the corrections.  But I am wondering if this problem 
originates with the Canvec data or if a mapper has created these intersections? 
 Can somebody provide some additional insight?  Is this also a problem in other 
provinces?

Thanks,
Bernie.
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Re: [Talk-ca] Problem with overpasses in NB??

2013-12-02 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Connors, Bernie (SNB)
bernie.conn...@snb.ca wrote:
 Here is an example - http://osm.org/go/cgZ854R_8--

 The problem is that there is an intersection node between
 McKinnon Road and Route 8 but there is an overpass bridge at this location.

That does look like an error, I've fixed that one.  The history on the
involved objects is short, and suggests that it is an import.  Do you
want to contact the mapper and ask about the matter?

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Re: [Talk-ca] Problem with overpasses in NB??

2013-12-02 Thread Daniel Begin
Provinces provide roads to NRCan that simply package it for GeoBase and
Canvec. I might be wrong but I am on the impression that some provinces (not
all) create vertices at intersections (2D) and do not consider the elevation
(3D). When converting to OSM, duplicated vertices (one on each road) are
merged in one node.

That might explain what you found
Same thing for double spaces in name

Daniel

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Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Problem with overpasses in NB??

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Connors, Bernie (SNB)
bernie.conn...@snb.ca wrote:
 Here is an example - http://osm.org/go/cgZ854R_8--

 The problem is that there is an intersection node 
 between McKinnon Road and Route 8 but there is an overpass bridge at this
location.

That does look like an error, I've fixed that one.  The history on the
involved objects is short, and suggests that it is an import.  Do you want
to contact the mapper and ask about the matter?

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Re: [Talk-ca] Problem with overpasses in NB??

2013-12-02 Thread Paul Norman
 From: Daniel Begin [mailto:jfd...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:34 PM
 To: 'Richard Weait'; 'Connors, Bernie (SNB)'
 Cc: 'Talk-CA OpenStreetMap'
 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Problem with overpasses in NB??
 
 Provinces provide roads to NRCan that simply package it for GeoBase and
 Canvec. I might be wrong but I am on the impression that some provinces
 (not all) create vertices at intersections (2D) and do not consider the
 elevation (3D). When converting to OSM, duplicated vertices (one on each
 road) are merged in one node.

The problem is often one of formats. Shapefiles are often used to 
interchange this data, but shapefiles do not have topology. A common 
toolchain used for getting data from an ESRI-based server to shapefiles
results in files that say that wherever two features cross they join. 

This is the type of mistake that someone doing an import needs to catch
and fix before uploading. The fastest fix I've found in JOSM is to merge the

two bridge ways, merge the two under-bridge ways, and delete the node where
they intersect.


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Re: [Talk-ca] Problem with overpasses in NB??

2013-12-02 Thread Connors, Bernie (SNB)
Richard,

  What I would like to do is run a query with the Overpass API that would 
identify the locations of this error so we can all judge how large an issue 
this is.  Unfortunately I have never written an Overpass API query and I would 
like some assistance.  Recently this query (http://goo.gl/AYJ0Nt) that 
identifies errors in Motorway links was shared on Talk-CA and I modified the 
bounding box to run it against New Brunswick.  Can somebody help me out with a 
query that identifies unnecessary intersections in bridges?

TIA,
Bernie.
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Bernie Connors, P.Eng
New maryland, NB
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From: Richard Weait [rich...@weait.com]
Sent: December 2, 2013 4:50 PM
To: Connors, Bernie (SNB)
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Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Problem with overpasses in NB??

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Connors, Bernie (SNB)
bernie.conn...@snb.ca wrote:
 Here is an example - http://osm.org/go/cgZ854R_8--

 The problem is that there is an intersection node between
 McKinnon Road and Route 8 but there is an overpass bridge at this location.

That does look like an error, I've fixed that one.  The history on the
involved objects is short, and suggests that it is an import.  Do you
want to contact the mapper and ask about the matter?
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