[Talk-ca] Region of York Data Imports
Hello, I work for the Region of York and we want to add our data to Open Street Map. All data that we are adding is available under our Open Data portal and is licensed through our Open Data license and is available for unlimited use and reuse. I work in the Geographic Information Services Branch at the Region and this data is highly authoritative and we feel as though it adds value to the current Open Street Map base. Thank you, Stephanie Piper stephanie.pi...@york.ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] RIP CanVec
Plusieurs articles parlent de l'entente entre OSM-France, l'IGN (cartes topo) et la Poste française pour la constitution d'une base de données nationale de données géoréférencées et ouvertes.http://www.nextinpact.com/news/90933-l-etat-s-associe-a-societe-civile-pour-elaborer-base-d-adresses-collaborative.htm Ils ont aussi fait des imports et eu des problèmes. Et se sont donné les moyens de former et encadrer les contributeurs, constituer des communautés. C'est plus positif que de dire marcher à pied avec son gps c'est mieux. Ils se donnent plutôt les moyens de construire quelque chose. Sans compter leurs serveurs, des applications tels Osmose et des outils pour coordonner l'import de données. L'outil Osmose couvre le Québec. voir http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr Est-ce que ce genre d'outil ou d'autres pourraient nous aider à travailler colectivement à améliorer la carte? Pierre De : Bruno Remy bremy.qc...@gmail.com À : Paul Norman penor...@mac.com Cc : talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mardi 18 novembre 2014 7h47 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] RIP CanVec Bonjour, À mon humble avis, après que plusieurs avis pour et contre Canvec aient été échangés (et j'appuie la majorité de ceux-ci), il serait von de recentrer le débat: Gardons tous en vue qu'OpenStreetMap est avant tout une carte citoyenne et que c'est à chacun de nous d'enrichir les données, tant sur le plan qualitatif que quantitatif. Donc après avoir argumenté pour/contre Canvec, l'amélioration des boisés, plans d'eau, interpolations etc est entre nos mains... Se décourager devant l'ampleur du travail ou bien éditer un jour à la fois c'est en fonction du dynamisme de nos communautés locales partout au Canada, que nous obtiendrons un beau résultat. Pour les Laurentides, la communauté de la Province du Québec tente de se structurer et le noyau de contributeurs de Montréal et Québec autour de ce projet pourrait vous venir en aide. Bruno___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Region of York Data Imports
Hi Stephanie, Thank you for your interest in the OpenStreetMap project. Glad to hear that York Region is publishing Open Data. Since York Region has published the data, and since you've told us about it, you've probably done everything that you need to do, now, as far as making the data available for OpenStreetMap contributors to consider it for inclusion in the OpenStreetMap database. The OpenStreetMap community has stringent guidelines around the inclusion of external data sources. Interested members of the community are now able to start that process of evaluating the license, and the data that you have brought to our attention. If those community members have any further questions, should they reach out to you here on the list, or by direct email? Also, there are twice-monthly events in Toronto that OpenStreetMap contributors, and map and data enthusiasts find interesting. Please join us at MappyHourTO, or #maptimeTO, some time. The schedule is kept online, here. http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/ Best regards and happy mapping, Richard Please note that OpenStreetMap is a registered trade mark and is properly spelled OpenStreetMap - many capitals, and no spaces, because we are trying to map the many capitols of the World, and leave no gaps. :-) It's a common mistake to add spaces or drop the capitals. Don't feel bad about it. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] RIP CanVec
Japprouve! La donnée Canvec nest pas un problème lorsque cest la meilleure disponible. Le problème est la mauvaise manipulation des données existantes par certains contributeurs. Cest là quun meilleur encadrement pourrait faire une grande différence et limiter les frustrations légitime de ceux qui voient leur travail détruit/altéré par des imports mal gérés. Daniel From: Pierre Béland [mailto:bela...@yahoo.fr] Sent: November-18-14 10:22 To: Bruno Remy; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] RIP CanVec Plusieurs articles parlent de l'entente entre OSM-France, l'IGN (cartes topo) et la Poste française pour la constitution d'une base de données nationale de données géoréférencées et ouvertes. http://www.nextinpact.com/news/90933-l-etat-s-associe-a-societe-civile-pour- elaborer-base-d-adresses-collaborative.htm Ils ont aussi fait des imports et eu des problèmes. Et se sont donné les moyens de former et encadrer les contributeurs, constituer des communautés. C'est plus positif que de dire marcher à pied avec son gps c'est mieux. Ils se donnent plutôt les moyens de construire quelque chose. Sans compter leurs serveurs, des applications tels Osmose et des outils pour coordonner l'import de données. L'outil Osmose couvre le Québec. voir http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/ Est-ce que ce genre d'outil ou d'autres pourraient nous aider à travailler colectivement à améliorer la carte? Pierre _ De : Bruno Remy mailto:bremy.qc...@gmail.com bremy.qc...@gmail.com À : Paul Norman mailto:penor...@mac.com penor...@mac.com Cc : mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mardi 18 novembre 2014 7h47 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] RIP CanVec Bonjour, À mon humble avis, après que plusieurs avis pour et contre Canvec aient été échangés (et j'appuie la majorité de ceux-ci), il serait von de recentrer le débat: Gardons tous en vue qu'OpenStreetMap est avant tout une carte citoyenne et que c'est à chacun de nous d'enrichir les données, tant sur le plan qualitatif que quantitatif. Donc après avoir argumenté pour/contre Canvec, l'amélioration des boisés, plans d'eau, interpolations etc est entre nos mains... Se décourager devant l'ampleur du travail ou bien éditer un jour à la fois c'est en fonction du dynamisme de nos communautés locales partout au Canada, que nous obtiendrons un beau résultat. Pour les Laurentides, la communauté de la Province du Québec tente de se structurer et le noyau de contributeurs de Montréal et Québec autour de ce projet pourrait vous venir en aide. Bruno ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Region of York Data Imports
On 14-11-29 10:37 AM, Piper, Stephanie wrote: Hello, I work for the Region of York and we want to add our data to Open Street Map. All data that we are adding is available under our Open Data portal and is licensed through our Open Data license and is available for unlimited use and reuse. I work in the Geographic Information Services Branch at the Region and this data is highly authoritative and we feel as though it adds value to the current Open Street Map base. Hi Stephanie, thanks for your note. It's always good to see municipalities opening up their data, and better still to see what citizens can do with it. There are a couple of potential issues that are likely to hinder the integration of the Region of York's data into OSM: 1. York Region’s Open Data Licence http://www.york.ca/wps/portal/yorkhome/yorkregion/yr/statisticsanddata/opendata/%21ut/p/a1/jY_NCsIwEISfpQ8g2Yb-5BoimqSWejPmIovVGtCk2ODBp7cWr1r3tAvf7MwQSwyxHh-uw-iCx-v7tsVB8bWSsgLdZEwAh4ZrWjJgVTkC-xGAL8NhTq__MKD3WtQdsT3Gy8L5cyBmiGPCIbrjgL5tMSIxoT_5adsROz2lNCtkKkCDbBioVbnNl0ymIPIZoKIf4Eet_maeGwlO8SR5AYDq2Kw%21/dl5/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/ is its own /very slightly different/ variant of the UK Government’s Open Government Licence for Public Sector Information. It’s not quite exactly like any other licence on CLIPol http://clipol.org/, and the main sticking point is the requirement to revoke attribution should the Region deem it necessary. OSM is volunteer run, and we don’t have the resources to have legal experts review all these different licences. It’s often just easier for the project not to use the data in cases like these. 2. While the Region’s data might be of exceptional quality, OSM has a policy of not importing data over where data already exists. Integrating imports without overwriting volunteer mappers’ contributions is extremely time consuming. OSM’s spatial accuracy may not be as good as a city professional survey, but the project typically has new features mapped by volunteers well ahead of any local government maps. I know the list's welcome may appear a little qualified, but thanks for joining us! Best Wishes, Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Region of York Data Imports
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Stewart C. Russell scr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Stephanie, thanks for your note. It's always good to see municipalities opening up their data, and better still to see what citizens can do with it. There are a couple of potential issues that are likely to hinder the integration of the Region of York's data into OSM: 1. York Region’s Open Data Licence http://www.york.ca/wps/portal/yorkhome/yorkregion/yr/statisticsanddata/opendata/%21ut/p/a1/jY_NCsIwEISfpQ8g2Yb-5BoimqSWejPmIovVGtCk2ODBp7cWr1r3tAvf7MwQSwyxHh-uw-iCx-v7tsVB8bWSsgLdZEwAh4ZrWjJgVTkC-xGAL8NhTq__MKD3WtQdsT3Gy8L5cyBmiGPCIbrjgL5tMSIxoT_5adsROz2lNCtkKkCDbBioVbnNl0ymIPIZoKIf4Eet_maeGwlO8SR5AYDq2Kw%21/dl5/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/ is its own *very slightly different* variant of the UK Government’s Open Government Licence for Public Sector Information. It’s not quite exactly like any other licence on CLIPol http://clipol.org/, and the main sticking point is the requirement to revoke attribution should the Region deem it necessary. OSM is volunteer run, and we don’t have the resources to have legal experts review all these different licences. It’s often just easier for the project not to use the data in cases like these. The licence gives an out. There is no requirement to give attribution to York. What it says is if we do, we may be required to remove it at a later date. The solution suggests, not giving attribution. 1. 2. While the Region’s data might be of exceptional quality, OSM has a policy of not importing data over where data already exists. Integrating imports without overwriting volunteer mappers’ contributions is extremely time consuming. OSM’s spatial accuracy may not be as good as a city professional survey, but the project typically has new features mapped by volunteers well ahead of any local government maps. This isn't a policy I've seen. What I've seen is if the import is worthwhile, care should be given to conflate the new data with the existing. For example, keeping the original changeset by modifying it with better data. Using tasking manager to import small sections, to allow users to carefully import small chunks at a time. Deleting existing data just to import isn't very polite. I know the list's welcome may appear a little qualified, but thanks for joining us! +1 on the welcome! Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
