Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

[Paul Norman]

On 2016-02-29 2:46 AM, john whelan wrote:
I think with the clause in the uploading terms that OSM can change the 
license its very difficult to import anything as it is difficult to 
say to City of Ottawa etc we'd like your data but we don't know what 
license it may have in OSM in the future.

Data needs to be compatible with our license, which is the ODbL.[1]

Is anyone going to take the responsibility on for removing the data?
Copyright incompatible data needs to be redacted, not just deleted. I'd 
normally be the one doing this, but I'm traveling today.


http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#Can_third-party_ODbL-licensed_data_be_imported.3F
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Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

[Stewart C. Russell]

On 2016-02-29 01:25 PM, john whelan wrote:
>
> It maybe possible to work with the city of Ottawa on this one
> but one problem they have identified is open data being used but not
> updated.

I'm surprised they even see their data being used at all, as it's almost
impossible to mix it with any other data. If they want their data
updated, maybe they should consider

 i ) providing diffs; or
 ii) using a licence that they didn't just make up.

Does anyone know the user brousseaumat? Reverting changesets 17206904
and 17206923 might be hard to do cleanly, as many changes have been
made, and transit relations built on top of them. To remove them -
although we should - would destroy transit mapping in Ottawa.

cheers,
 Stewart

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Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

[john whelan]

One of the tags has a value that is only available from the GTFS file.  You
still have the problem of multiple bus stops mapped in one location.  It
maybe possible to work with the city of Ottawa on this one but one problem
they have identified is open data being used but not updated.

I think both you and I feel there is a lot of very useful data published by
the City of Ottawa I'd like to see in OSM but at the moment I can't see a
way.

Sorry John

On 29 February 2016 at 13:02, James  wrote:

> There's also the problem: how do you know that the bus stop was from an
> import vs user created.
> On Feb 28, 2016 8:48 PM, "john whelan"  wrote:
>
>> I think with the clause in the uploading terms that OSM can change the
>> license its very difficult to import anything as it is difficult to say to
>> City of Ottawa etc we'd like your data but we don't know what license it
>> may have in OSM in the future.
>>
>> Is anyone going to take the responsibility on for removing the data?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 28 February 2016 at 20:37, Stewart C. Russell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John, and all —
>>>
>>> If this is the GTFS data for Ottawa:
>>>
>>> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/oc-transpo-schedules
>>>
>>> then it's published under the City of Ottawa Open Data - Terms of use:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-terms-use
>>>
>>> This licence is incompatible with the ODbL used by OSM:
>>>
>>> http://clipol.org/licences/16?tab=licence_compatibility
>>>
>>> and therefore these data, and any others derived from Ottawa municipal
>>> data sets, should be removed from the map.
>>>
>>> I know that there may be commuting apps that rely on these data points,
>>> but it's Ottawa's silly fault for using a licence that's only compatible
>>> with itself.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>  Stewart
>>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

[Adam Martin]

That is a significant issue. If the original user *brousseaumat* was the
one that made the import and he / she has ... only 8 edits to their name,
all within Ontario, then reversing his work may be enough.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:32 PM, James  wrote:

> There's also the problem: how do you know that the bus stop was from an
> import vs user created.
> On Feb 28, 2016 8:48 PM, "john whelan"  wrote:
>
>> I think with the clause in the uploading terms that OSM can change the
>> license its very difficult to import anything as it is difficult to say to
>> City of Ottawa etc we'd like your data but we don't know what license it
>> may have in OSM in the future.
>>
>> Is anyone going to take the responsibility on for removing the data?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 28 February 2016 at 20:37, Stewart C. Russell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John, and all —
>>>
>>> If this is the GTFS data for Ottawa:
>>>
>>> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/oc-transpo-schedules
>>>
>>> then it's published under the City of Ottawa Open Data - Terms of use:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-terms-use
>>>
>>> This licence is incompatible with the ODbL used by OSM:
>>>
>>> http://clipol.org/licences/16?tab=licence_compatibility
>>>
>>> and therefore these data, and any others derived from Ottawa municipal
>>> data sets, should be removed from the map.
>>>
>>> I know that there may be commuting apps that rely on these data points,
>>> but it's Ottawa's silly fault for using a licence that's only compatible
>>> with itself.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>  Stewart
>>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

[James]

There's also the problem: how do you know that the bus stop was from an
import vs user created.
On Feb 28, 2016 8:48 PM, "john whelan"  wrote:

> I think with the clause in the uploading terms that OSM can change the
> license its very difficult to import anything as it is difficult to say to
> City of Ottawa etc we'd like your data but we don't know what license it
> may have in OSM in the future.
>
> Is anyone going to take the responsibility on for removing the data?
>
> Thanks
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 28 February 2016 at 20:37, Stewart C. Russell  wrote:
>
>> Hi John, and all —
>>
>> If this is the GTFS data for Ottawa:
>>
>> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/oc-transpo-schedules
>>
>> then it's published under the City of Ottawa Open Data - Terms of use:
>>
>> http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-terms-use
>>
>> This licence is incompatible with the ODbL used by OSM:
>>
>> http://clipol.org/licences/16?tab=licence_compatibility
>>
>> and therefore these data, and any others derived from Ottawa municipal
>> data sets, should be removed from the map.
>>
>> I know that there may be commuting apps that rely on these data points,
>> but it's Ottawa's silly fault for using a licence that's only compatible
>> with itself.
>>
>> cheers,
>>  Stewart
>>
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