Re: [Talk-ca] importing data requiring attribution

[Stewart C. Russell]

On 2017-03-05 09:44 PM, Brent Fraser wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>   I've had a request to improve the stream and trail data around Gibsons
> BC using data from the Sunshine Coast Regional District (SCRD
> http://www.scrd.ca/data-download).  Their license
> (http://www.scrd.ca/scrd_disclaimer) permits this

In addition to James's link, you'd need to have the SCRD licence
approved by the Licensing Working Group. Takes a couple of months. I see
a glaring error in the text: they copypasta'd North Van's licence, but
didn't find and replace properly, leaving the attribution as “Contains
information licensed under the Open Government Licence - North Vancouver.”

 Stewart

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Re: [Talk-ca] importing data requiring attribution

[James]

If you dont want your work reverted, you might want to check this out

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

Attribution is indirect on the wiki(you may need to contact the data
supplier if this fufills their attribution clause:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors

You can also put it in changeset comment(link to datasource or
documentation on wiki)

On Mar 5, 2017 9:45 PM, "Brent Fraser"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>   I've had a request to improve the stream and trail data around Gibsons
> BC using data from the Sunshine Coast Regional District (SCRD
> http://www.scrd.ca/data-download).  Their license (
> http://www.scrd.ca/scrd_disclaimer) permits this but requires attribution
> of the data.  How is attribution of uploaded data done within OSM?
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Brent Fraser
>
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Qgis-user] QGOS maps fort Garmin GPS

[Brent Fraser]

Stephen,

 Yeah I saw the other problems with surrounding creeks, but if I'm 
going to replace the geometry with data from SCRD, I need to check that 
their license agreement allows that.


OSM is NOT a satellite image map; it is strictly a vector database of 
points, lines and polygons.  There are three ways to enter data into OSM:


1. Upload your GPS tracks

2. Digitize features using Bing imagery as a backdrop (this may be 
where the confusion comes from)


3. Do "bulk uploads" of license-compatible data (e.g. shapefiles of 
Canvec 1:50k Fed data)


OSM is a collection of the best available, license-compatible data.  
Bulk uploads are usually frowned upon, due to the ease of overwriting 
existing data, so extra care must be taken.


I'll CC the OSM-Ca list (and we should drop out of the QGIS list unless 
we have QGIS-related issues)


Best Regards,
Brent Fraser

On 3/5/2017 5:28 PM, Stephen Wandling wrote:

Brent,

OK.  You could have changed Robinson to Clough at the same time, if I 
had mentioned it.  But, the map is still missing Joe Smith Creek, 
which falls between Molyneux and Clough, and vast amounts of forks up 
the mountain for both of them.


You may already know this, but you can get all the shape files at:

http://www.scrd.ca/data-download

If you can easily upload them to OSM, with their labels, then that 
would be useful to many people.  You can also get kmz files there.  
Importing them into Google Map shows the line, but not the label.


Through all of this, I have come to realize something huge.  And that 
is simply that OSM is a sat view map.  For my GPS, I am only 
interested in topo maps.  I see enough of the trees when I am up 
there, so all I want on the GPS is streams and trails.  I will work 
with the contour lines that are on existing GPS map.  OSM, seemingly 
based on Bing maps, would not server my purposes.


Thanks for your insights, work and views.

Stephen

On 05/03/2017 3:23 PM, Brent Fraser wrote:

Stephen,

  Based on the info from SCRD, I changed the name of Joe Smith Creek 
to Molyneux Creek.


Best Regards,
Brent Fraser

On 3/5/2017 3:41 PM, Brent Fraser wrote:

Hey Stephan,

  This discussion may belong on the OSM-Canada mailing list 
(https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca) so others can 
comment.


  All maps contain errors, some intentional, others by mistake, and 
still others due to the passage of time.  The great thing about OSM 
is you can correct them!  The OSM community holds local knowledge in 
very high regard, and one of the basic guidelines is "If you think 
the data is wrong, change it."  I find the quality of the data very 
good, perhaps due to the majority of the editors have a passion for 
mapping.


  I had a look at Joe Smith Creek in OSM.  It was imported from 
Canvec v10 (the Fed 1:50k data), and named the same on the BC 1:20k 
sheet. If you like, I could change the name...


Best Regards,
Brent Fraser

On 3/5/2017 2:01 PM, Stephen Wandling wrote:

Phil,

For a government mapping agency to have a problem, it first has to 
exist.  I am told that in 1992, British Columbia dismantled it's 
cartography department and fired all of the cartographers. I am 
also told that no work had been done on any of the 20K maps in the 
prior 10 years.  So, only the private resource extraction 
corporations have access to up-to-date digital data and at a price 
that I certainly can not afford.


I had a look at OSM mountain biking maps last night, your second 
link below.  I could see that someone had probably 'walked' what 
they thought was Joe Smith Creek with their GPS, and extended what 
had been on the base map.  First, that is Molyneux creek and not 
Joe Smith, the base map was wrong and secondly that creek comes 
from a large number of forks up the mountain, so they only dealt 
with a small percentage of it's reach.  My immediate thought was 
"This is Wikipedia for Cartography!". Errors laid upon errors. No 
use of local knowledge or the Streams shape files available on the 
Regional District's site.


That is a can of worms I am not interested in delving into.

Cheers,
Stephen

On 04/03/2017 8:28 PM, Phil (The Geek) Wyatt wrote:

No problems Stephen,

Unfortunately many government agencies can't keep up with edits of 
new tracks/trails but that is the beauty of Open Street Map. Your 
contribution, by adding tracks, means that all the folks making 
derivative products get the benefits. You also get the benefit of 
their knowledge in the creation of products to suit your GPS. 
Indeed you can even use OSM mapping as a background in QGIS so you 
get the same benefits immediately.


If you have some GPS files, drop me a few and I will get them 
loaded for you to get you started.


The Mountain bike community are quite active in some areas and 
have great wiki information on tagging for trails


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mountain_biking

https://openmtbmap.org/

Cheers - Phil


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