[Talk-ca] Bus maps for Ottawa
I was looking at Helsinki for solutions to a lane mapping problem (how to map left turn lanes), and noticed they have bus routes specified as relations on the road segments. This put me in mind of Ottawa. My first thought was to check on copyright issues. I learned that Ottawa has an open data policy (catalogue at http://www.ottawa.ca/en/city_hall/statisticsdata/opendata/info/index.htm). Talk about an embarrassment of riches! Now I just have to put the tools together to do bulk mapping to OSM. Or has someone already tackled this? Tom Taylor ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Bus maps for Ottawa
Tom this Ottawa license seems compatible with ODbl. Then, I think that the data can be imported. You can add to the relation the tag source=City of Ottawa. I have not done any yet, but it does not seem to complicate. Wiki pages should give godd information. Also, looking at some Bus relations should help to understand the content. In the relation, you enter nodes for every stop. From discussions I have seen elsewhere, I think that It is important to control the quality of such data before you import. Pierre De : Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com À : talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 15 novembre 2012 12h46 Objet : [Talk-ca] Bus maps for Ottawa I was looking at Helsinki for solutions to a lane mapping problem (how to map left turn lanes), and noticed they have bus routes specified as relations on the road segments. This put me in mind of Ottawa. My first thought was to check on copyright issues. I learned that Ottawa has an open data policy (catalogue at http://www.ottawa.ca/en/city_hall/statisticsdata/opendata/info/index.htm). Talk about an embarrassment of riches! Now I just have to put the tools together to do bulk mapping to OSM. Or has someone already tackled this? Tom Taylor ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Bus maps for Ottawa
Hi I was actually thinking of something similar for the Region of Waterloo, for both the routes and bus stop data, which is available under an Open Data License ( http://www.regionofwaterloo.ca/en/regionalGovernment/OpenDataLicence.asp) I am exploring the use of a tool called GO-sync for converting the data. I've heard that the shape data RoW provides may not be of great quality, so I suspect it might take me some time to do this properly. Mike On 15 November 2012 13:03, Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr wrote: Tom this Ottawa license seems compatible with ODbl. Then, I think that the data can be imported. You can add to the relation the tag source=City of Ottawa. I have not done any yet, but it does not seem to complicate. Wiki pages should give godd information. Also, looking at some Bus relations should help to understand the content. In the relation, you enter nodes for every stop. From discussions I have seen elsewhere, I think that It is important to control the quality of such data before you import. Pierre -- *De :* Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com *À :* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 15 novembre 2012 12h46 *Objet :* [Talk-ca] Bus maps for Ottawa I was looking at Helsinki for solutions to a lane mapping problem (how to map left turn lanes), and noticed they have bus routes specified as relations on the road segments. This put me in mind of Ottawa. My first thought was to check on copyright issues. I learned that Ottawa has an open data policy (catalogue at http://www.ottawa.ca/en/city_hall/statisticsdata/opendata/info/index.htm). Talk about an embarrassment of riches! Now I just have to put the tools together to do bulk mapping to OSM. Or has someone already tackled this? Tom Taylor ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Mike Boos, MASc. mike.b...@gmail.com 519-580-5804 http://real.uwaterloo.ca/~mboos ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Bus maps for Ottawa
Mike, Waterloo license is based UK Government's Open Government Licence and is considered as a true OpenData license. It is not the case for all canadian cities and governments. For my city, Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, the data is available but the license is to restrictive. I will have to negociate with the city before using it. Talking of quality, I was thinking about the coordinates precision wich may be, for some databases, very approximative depending on the method used. It is best evaluating before we use these. Buses routes essentially consist of ways describing the route and nodes describing the stops. The tags may describes specific platforms or route. In the relation, it is also important to indicate the role for ways and nodes. wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses describes the node tags and relations. As it is said, we have a relation for one direction only. wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route provides also valuable information. For each city, it also links to a wiki page describing this city route relations. There are numerous examples that help to understand the process. I suggest you should add your city when the work is finished. There are various ways to document. A nice example is city of Toulouse in France were routes are grouped by various type (ie. metro, bus, etc.). see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Toulouse/Transports_publics Pierre De : Mike Boos mike.b...@gmail.com À : Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr Cc : Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 15 novembre 2012 13h24 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Bus maps for Ottawa Hi I was actually thinking of something similar for the Region of Waterloo, for both the routes and bus stop data, which is available under an Open Data License (http://www.regionofwaterloo.ca/en/regionalGovernment/OpenDataLicence.asp) I am exploring the use of a tool called GO-sync for converting the data. I've heard that the shape data RoW provides may not be of great quality, so I suspect it might take me some time to do this properly. Mike On 15 November 2012 13:03, Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr wrote: Tom this Ottawa license seems compatible with ODbl. Then, I think that the data can be imported. You can add to the relation the tag source=City of Ottawa. I have not done any yet, but it does not seem to complicate. Wiki pages should give godd information. Also, looking at some Bus relations should help to understand the content. In the relation, you enter nodes for every stop. From discussions I have seen elsewhere, I think that It is important to control the quality of such data before you import. Pierre De : Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com À : talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 15 novembre 2012 12h46 Objet : [Talk-ca] Bus maps for Ottawa I was looking at Helsinki for solutions to a lane mapping problem (how to map left turn lanes), and noticed they have bus routes specified as relations on the road segments. This put me in mind of Ottawa. My first thought was to check on copyright issues. I learned that Ottawa has an open data policy (catalogue at http://www.ottawa.ca/en/city_hall/statisticsdata/opendata/info/index.htm). Talk about an embarrassment of riches! Now I just have to put the tools together to do bulk mapping to OSM. Or has someone already tackled this? Tom Taylor ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Mike Boos, MASc. mike.b...@gmail.com 519-580-5804 http://real.uwaterloo.ca/~mboos ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Bus maps for Ottawa
Richard, Do we have a page somewhere that indicate the status of various municipalities and governements licences in Canada ? Pierre De : Richard Weait rich...@weait.com À : Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr Cc : Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 15 novembre 2012 17h38 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Bus maps for Ottawa On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr wrote: Tom this Ottawa license seems compatible with ODbl. Then, I think that the data can be imported. No. Absolutely not. The Ottawa license is derived from the broken and dangerous Vancouver license. Do not touch this data, even with a stick. Until the damage done by the stupid Vancouver license, we can not use Ottawa data. Vancouver has held back Canadian open data initiatives for more than three years. Also. For data set, the full import guidelines must be followed without short cuts. Ottawa data is inappropriate by way of their damaging license, so we can stop considering it, right here. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
