Re: [Talk-ca] Help Importing York Region Data to OpenStreetMap
Thank you for your response. We will review the specifications at the wiki link you provided for more information. We would like to contribute valuable data to OpenStreetMap and we would like to work with the community to do so. Is there someone experienced from the OpenStreetMap community who would be willing to download York Region’s data and import to OpenStreetMap -or- To work together with us to do so? We appreciate the community’s support getting valuable data out. Thank you York Region Open Data From: Richard Weait [mailto:rich...@weait.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 11:15 PM To: Cawker, Michelle Cc: impo...@openstreetmap.org; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: Help Importing York Region Data to OpenStreetMap You should not proceed with this import. The plan description on the wiki has several show-stopper problems. From a quick scan of the wiki: - multiple users on one account. Don't do that. :-) Each of your employees who try to edit OpenStreetMap must have their own accounts. Pro Tip: Have them use their real names, and not something like York Region GIS Team #1 We OpenStreetMap contributors are real live humans, not faceless administrative drones, even if we play the role of faceless administrative drone at work. - parcels. Parcel data is contentious and problematic in OpenStreetMap. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Parcel - there are likely other problems. This plan needs careful, expert review. Have any of your employees contributed to OpenStreetMap outside of this project? If not, they may be in for a tough learning curve. Importing data is not for a newcomer. You should have years of real OpenStreetMap experience before attempting an import. If the OpenStreetMap community takes an interest in the York Region data they will convert, conflate, adapt, correct it, and then contribute it to OpenStreetMap. So you don't have to go crazy with your limited regional budget. The volunteers / experts will do it. Do you have Open Data for building outlines? Building outline data is widely accepted in OpenStreetMap as being useful and worthwhile. Building outlines make a better home for address point data than a disembodied point, or a parcel centroid / parcel outline. Do you have newer and or higher resolution aerial imagery? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Help Importing York Region Data to OpenStreetMap
On 2015-01-28 11:14 PM, Richard Weait wrote: You should not proceed with this import. The plan description on the wiki has several show-stopper problems. If anyone was wondering about context, here's the plan: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Yorkregion_GIS/York_Region_Data_Imports It has good links to OSM-compatible open data from York Region. My main problem with the plan — apart from likely wilful data overwriting — is that they'd clip data to districts. Like we need /more/ arbitrary boundaries to fix in Canada … - parcels. Parcel data is contentious and problematic in OpenStreetMap. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Parcel Also, the commercial provincial parcels manager gets really possessive over anything cadastral, even if they didn't collect it or own it. They have money and lawyers. (Which I sometimes wish they'd direct back to addressing the quality of the data they sell …) Do you have newer and or higher resolution aerial imagery? Most municipalities/regions pay into group orthophoto collection, like SWOOP in SW Ontario. It's updated every six years or so. It's supplied to members at cost recovery, but the licensing is restrictive. I did ask the relevant folks back in 2013 or so if they'd release the obsolete 2006 data if I found hosting (as it was better/newer than most of the Bing/Yahoo imagery at the time), but I got a no. cheers, Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Help Importing York Region Data to OpenStreetMap
You should not proceed with this import. The plan description on the wiki has several show-stopper problems. From a quick scan of the wiki: - multiple users on one account. Don't do that. :-) Each of your employees who try to edit OpenStreetMap must have their own accounts. Pro Tip: Have them use their real names, and not something like York Region GIS Team #1 We OpenStreetMap contributors are real live humans, not faceless administrative drones, even if we play the role of faceless administrative drone at work. - parcels. Parcel data is contentious and problematic in OpenStreetMap. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Parcel - there are likely other problems. This plan needs careful, expert review. Have any of your employees contributed to OpenStreetMap outside of this project? If not, they may be in for a tough learning curve. Importing data is not for a newcomer. You should have years of real OpenStreetMap experience before attempting an import. If the OpenStreetMap community takes an interest in the York Region data they will convert, conflate, adapt, correct it, and then contribute it to OpenStreetMap. So you don't have to go crazy with your limited regional budget. The volunteers / experts will do it. Do you have Open Data for building outlines? Building outline data is widely accepted in OpenStreetMap as being useful and worthwhile. Building outlines make a better home for address point data than a disembodied point, or a parcel centroid / parcel outline. Do you have newer and or higher resolution aerial imagery? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
