[Talk-ca] ON prefix on Ontario highways
I've noticed that User:Zachary77F has been adding the prefix ON to a lot of provincial highways in Ontario. I am not sure whether this makes sense (looks kind of weird on the default Mapnik renderer) though this convention seems to be used in the US for state highways. Should I keep provincial highways tagged this way or should they be changed back to the way they were? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] ON prefix on Ontario highways
Also this user has been adding A to Quebec autoroutes, R to Quebec provincial highways, CR to Ontario county roads, etc. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed that User:Zachary77F has been adding the prefix ON to a lot of provincial highways in Ontario. I am not sure whether this makes sense (looks kind of weird on the default Mapnik renderer) though this convention seems to be used in the US for state highways. Should I keep provincial highways tagged this way or should they be changed back to the way they were? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] ON prefix on Ontario highways
On 2/28/2015 9:45 AM, Richard Weait wrote: Don't use prefixes or adulterate the ref with extra characters. Use the network tag for that information. http://taginfo.osm.org/search?q=network%3Dca_on_county Although the lack of prefixes may be true for Ontario routes, it's worth remembering that in most of the world letters form an integral part of the route reference and should be included. Regardless, the network tag is only for relations, not ways. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] ON prefix on Ontario highways
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Jonathan Crowe jonathan.cr...@gmail.com wrote: But it's safe to say that everything else in Ontario can be rendered as a King's Highway, if the number is less than 144 or in the 400s. (Secondary routes have higher numbers in the 500s and 600s.) In Quebec, any route number less than 100 or more than 400 is an autoroute; everything else gets the standard route shield. In Manitoba, provincial roads are numbered 200 and up; anything 199 or lower is a trunk highway. Similar rules apply in Alberta, Saskatchewan, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia: the number indicates the class of route and related marker. Secondary highways disappeared in Alberta in 2000-2001... everything that used to be a secondary is a primary highway now. #1 to 216 are the Primary Core Highways... #500 to 986 are the Primary Local Highways... Nothing really has changed except the higher number series used to be under municipal jurisdiction, now it's provincial. Badging is still the same as before the juggle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Alberta_provincial_highways James VE6SRV ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] ON prefix on Ontario highways
Don't use prefixes or adulterate the ref with extra characters. Use the network tag for that information. http://taginfo.osm.org/search?q=network%3Dca_on_county ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] ON prefix on Ontario highways
Pour le Québec, je vois dans un seul changeset il y a 3 jours, je vois qu'il a modifié plus de 18 000 chemins. Avant d'entreprendre une telle opération, il aurait bien sûr du en discuter avec la communauté du Québec. A analyser si on doit faire un revert. Pierre De : Jonathan Crowe jonathan.cr...@gmail.com À : Talk-CA OpenStreetMap talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Samedi 28 février 2015 11h25 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] ON prefix on Ontario highways Prefixes aren't always necessary for rendering labels. RR and CR labels are good in an Ontario context (I'd been putting a few in manually in the Ottawa area before this user got to work -- I assume it's automated?), because road numbers and highway numbers regularly overlap and since not every Regional Route or County Route is a secondary road (see RR 174 east of Ottawa, a motorway, to say nothing of urban boulevards and expressways that probably warrant being tagged as primary or even trunk routes, despite not being provincial or NTS highways). But it's safe to say that everything else in Ontario can be rendered as a King's Highway, if the number is less than 144 or in the 400s. (Secondary routes have higher numbers in the 500s and 600s.) In Quebec, any route number less than 100 or more than 400 is an autoroute; everything else gets the standard route shield. In Manitoba, provincial roads are numbered 200 and up; anything 199 or lower is a trunk highway. Similar rules apply in Alberta, Saskatchewan, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia: the number indicates the class of route and related marker. It's really only in Ontario that you need to specify what kind of route marker should be applied, rather than inferring it from the number -- oh yes, and in Winnipeg, with its numbered metro route system that overlaps with provincial numbers. B.C. has no secondary routes, though some highways (1, 3, 5, 16, 113) get specialized route markers. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Duncan Hill dun...@soncan.ca wrote: It might make sense to have that info included. Perhaps it could use a separate tag and then renderers can choose how to label it. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: Also this user has been adding A to Quebec autoroutes, R to Quebec provincial highways, CR to Ontario county roads, etc. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed that User:Zachary77F has been adding the prefix ON to a lot of provincial highways in Ontario. I am not sure whether this makes sense (looks kind of weird on the default Mapnik renderer) though this convention seems to be used in the US for state highways. Should I keep provincial highways tagged this way or should they be changed back to the way they were? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Jonathan Crowehttp://www.jonathancrowe.net ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] ON prefix on Ontario highways
It might make sense to have that info included. Perhaps it could use a separate tag and then renderers can choose how to label it. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: Also this user has been adding A to Quebec autoroutes, R to Quebec provincial highways, CR to Ontario county roads, etc. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed that User:Zachary77F has been adding the prefix ON to a lot of provincial highways in Ontario. I am not sure whether this makes sense (looks kind of weird on the default Mapnik renderer) though this convention seems to be used in the US for state highways. Should I keep provincial highways tagged this way or should they be changed back to the way they were? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] ON prefix on Ontario highways
Prefixes aren't always necessary for rendering labels. RR and CR labels are good in an Ontario context (I'd been putting a few in manually in the Ottawa area before this user got to work -- I assume it's automated?), because road numbers and highway numbers regularly overlap and since not every Regional Route or County Route is a secondary road (see RR 174 east of Ottawa, a motorway, to say nothing of urban boulevards and expressways that probably warrant being tagged as primary or even trunk routes, despite not being provincial or NTS highways). But it's safe to say that everything else in Ontario can be rendered as a King's Highway, if the number is less than 144 or in the 400s. (Secondary routes have higher numbers in the 500s and 600s.) In Quebec, any route number less than 100 or more than 400 is an autoroute; everything else gets the standard route shield. In Manitoba, provincial roads are numbered 200 and up; anything 199 or lower is a trunk highway. Similar rules apply in Alberta, Saskatchewan, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia: the number indicates the class of route and related marker. It's really only in Ontario that you need to specify what kind of route marker should be applied, rather than inferring it from the number -- oh yes, and in Winnipeg, with its numbered metro route system that overlaps with provincial numbers. B.C. has no secondary routes, though some highways (1, 3, 5, 16, 113) get specialized route markers. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Duncan Hill dun...@soncan.ca wrote: It might make sense to have that info included. Perhaps it could use a separate tag and then renderers can choose how to label it. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: Also this user has been adding A to Quebec autoroutes, R to Quebec provincial highways, CR to Ontario county roads, etc. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed that User:Zachary77F has been adding the prefix ON to a lot of provincial highways in Ontario. I am not sure whether this makes sense (looks kind of weird on the default Mapnik renderer) though this convention seems to be used in the US for state highways. Should I keep provincial highways tagged this way or should they be changed back to the way they were? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Jonathan Crowe http://www.jonathancrowe.net ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] ON prefix on Ontario highways
Ce contributeur a aussi utilisé la clé network. Je vais enlever les préfixes ajoutés. J'ai commenté les changesets portant sur le Québec de la façon suivante : Modifications systématiques aux règles sans d'abord en discuter avec la communauté. SVP venir discuter sur https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca Pierre De : Richard Weait rich...@weait.com À : Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com Cc : Talk-CA OpenStreetMap talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Samedi 28 février 2015 12h45 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] ON prefix on Ontario highways Don't use prefixes or adulterate the ref with extra characters. Use the network tag for that information. http://taginfo.osm.org/search?q=network%3Dca_on_county ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
